Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bidu Sayão International Vocal Competition

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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bidu Sayão International Vocal Competition[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this singing competition. Joe Chill (talk) 15:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Some references can be found here. -- Eastmain (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "a competition for up-and-coming young singers" is a junior level competition, and unlikely to be important. DGG ( talk ) 05:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is the official site of the competition http://www2.uol.com.br/spimagem/concurso/bidu09/regulamento_it.htm . This is not a junior level competition, but the most important INTERNATIONAL opera competition of Brazil!! --Arancam (talk) 00:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

from that site mentioned above:

article 1, "L’IX Concorso Internazionale di Canto Bidu Sayão, mira a rivelare nuovi talenti e a diffondere il canto erudito." (to reveal new talent and spread the knowledge of singing)

article 3 "nati a partire dal 1º gennaio del 1974 fino a 1º gennaio del 1991." (born after Jan 21 1974 & before Jan 1 1991)

to me, those two conditions mean: not yet notable. DGG ( talk ) 19:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sure! Important competitions are all for young artists!!! What is the difference between an importat one and a less important is if the competition is international or not, and if the competition has a relevance in the continent.

The most important world level opera competition is Operalia, wich is also for young talents! This is the most important international competition of South America and should be kept in my opinion! --Arancam (talk) 13:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW (Talk) 00:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. To respond to Arancam, the problem is not that it's an international competition. That's great, that's fantastic. But the problem we have is that, despite its international scope, even if in name, does not unto itself convey notability. We absolutely, positively need that, and we need it to be verifiable from reliable sources. You answer your own questions in importance, but importance is truly subjective, and doesn't meet our requirements. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 04:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If this becomes neutral like the same number of "keep's" and "delete's", then it should be closed. -- ISLANDERS27 05:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Thing is, though, that this isn't a vote, it's a consensus - so the number of keeps versus deletes don't matter worth anything. It's the commentary therein. Eastmain's note may have some merit, but if there aren't any reliable sources then it's not going to survive despite the number of keeps or deletes. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here there are a lot of reliable sources, such as Correio Braziliense newspaper and Estadão newspaper, which are ones of the most important newspapers of Brasil, and also some internet sites. Something more can be found here. It's not me that is having a subjective point of view regarding the importance. It is obvious that as it is one of the most important opera event in South America, (and this is an objective point of view!!) this article should be kept. If someone else could help in reviewing the article it would be great. We can try to make it more complete... but anyway it is not just something to forget about only because it's not known by everyone here! --Arancam (talk) 03:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More reliable sources also on the important Brazilian Newspaper Folha de S. Paulo --Arancam (talk) 03:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Arancam has won me over. - Ret.Prof (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! --Arancam (talk) 11:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.