Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhasa Andolan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. SarahStierch (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bhasa Andolan[edit]
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Doesn't meet the criteria for Notability Zayeem (talk) 15:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 October 22. Snotbot t • c » 15:53, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This Article has an historical importance and national impact. It was the reason for formation of a new district and to protect the Bengali Language from forcible imposition of Hindi Language over the Bengali Speaking people. It clearly passes WP:EFFECT, WP:GEOSCOPE. Strong Keep. -- Som999 (talk) 10:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Change the title (Nominator's vote): Bhasa Andolan generally refers to the Bengali Language Movement. Besides, the article suggests that the main catalyst behind the movement was the inclusion of Manbhum District into Bihar-Orisa and the demand of merging the district with West Bengal, so the title should be according to this, for example "Formation of Purulia". The article can also be merged with Purulia district. Zayeem (talk) 06:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Focus will be lost: Although Bhasa Andolon mainly refers to the Bengali Language Movement, this agitation is also popularly known as Bhasa Andolon. Even Goverment of Purulia Website also refers it as Bhasa Andolon. More importantly,the main reason of this agitation was to protect Bengali Language and Bengali Speaking People.Throughout the article it is clearly mentioned.Inclusion is one reason but the plight of the Bengali Speaking people was the main catalyst. Even the agitation started when then government restricted the use of Bengali language in education. This article cannot be merged with Purulia district since it is an event which has its own significance and historical importance. And changing the name will lost the main motive of the article. Even if the title change is required to remove the confusion with Bengali Language Movement,it can be made,for example Manbhum Bhasa Andolon. But removing the term Bhasa Andolon will lost the main focus of this article. Som999 (talk) 5:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
- Can't really agree, the initial reason of the agitation and the outcome of the agitation both indicate the fact that title like "Formation of Purulia" would sound more specific. Besides, I tried searching Bhasa Andolan in Google and most of the results refer to the Bengali Language Movement and there was also a similar kind of agitation in Assam which also deepens the confusion. Zayeem (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Language movement is not something that occurred only in Bangladesh. There has been many language movements in India, notably in Silchar and Purulia. With proper disambiguation links, this article is absolutely fine. BengaliHindu (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Well, the article justifies its existence but the title should be changed. Its not about only language movement, "Bhasa Andolon" generally refers to the Bengali language movement. Besides, Bhasa Andolon may also refer to other language movements as you mentioned, hence the title is definitely not appropriate. As I said earlier, the initial reason of the agitation and the outcome of the agitation both indicate the fact that title like "Formation of Purulia" would sound more specific. --Zayeem (talk) 17:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Formation of Purulia may not be correct, because in administrative terms it was mostly a change of name. Bengali language movement (Purulia) could be better option. BengaliHindu (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: It was not just a change of name. The most significant effect of the agitation was splitting Manbhum District (which was 4,112 square miles previously) and creating a new district of Purulia (2007 sq miles) with the inclusion of Purulia district into West Bengal from Bihar-Orissa. Hence, "Formation of Purulia" sounds more appropriate. --Zayeem (talk) 14:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Formation of Purulia may not be correct, because in administrative terms it was mostly a change of name. Bengali language movement (Purulia) could be better option. BengaliHindu (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Well, the article justifies its existence but the title should be changed. Its not about only language movement, "Bhasa Andolon" generally refers to the Bengali language movement. Besides, Bhasa Andolon may also refer to other language movements as you mentioned, hence the title is definitely not appropriate. As I said earlier, the initial reason of the agitation and the outcome of the agitation both indicate the fact that title like "Formation of Purulia" would sound more specific. --Zayeem (talk) 17:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Kmzayeem "Formation of purulia" will not be the appropriate title. As you told the effect of the agitation was splitting Manbhum district and formation of purulia. It was an effect,this article mainly describes the cause and the timeline of that incident. As an example, International Mother Language Day is announced for the recognition of Bengali Language Movement. Renaming Bhasa Andolon to "Formation of Purulia" will be like renaming Bengali Language Movement as "Origination of International Mother Language Day", which ignores the main fact and reason of the incident. Its unfortunate that with a such historical importance and notable effect , this article has been nominated for deletion!Som999 (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteChange the title (Nominator's vote) Well, apologies for nominating it for deletion but we are now discussing for an appropriate title. As the article reads here, in 1905 when the new state of Bihar-Orissa was formed, Manbhum District was included in Bihar-Orissa and that's when the agitation started demanding the inclusion of the district in Bengal. So it's quite clear that the initial and primary reason of the agitation was the demand of inclusion of the district into Bengal or West Bengal. As mentioned in my last comment, the most significant effect of the agitation was also the same, inclusion of the district into West Bengal. The title "Formation of Purulia" sounds more appropriate since it emphasizes both the cause and the effect of the agitation. As for the Bengali language movement, the main and only cause of the movement was the demand of recognizing Bengali as an official language of Pakistan, which justifies the title. --Zayeem (talk) 15:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Kmzayeem "Formation of purulia" will not be the appropriate title. As you told the effect of the agitation was splitting Manbhum district and formation of purulia. It was an effect,this article mainly describes the cause and the timeline of that incident. As an example, International Mother Language Day is announced for the recognition of Bengali Language Movement. Renaming Bhasa Andolon to "Formation of Purulia" will be like renaming Bengali Language Movement as "Origination of International Mother Language Day", which ignores the main fact and reason of the incident. Its unfortunate that with a such historical importance and notable effect , this article has been nominated for deletion!Som999 (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Can't really agree for the above mentioned title. Inclusion was the initial reason but the main catalyst was the Bengali Language and its sentiment. Although there was a demand of inclusion of Manbhum district to Bengal but that is also by the Bengali speaking people as they wanted a separate district for them. So here also the main reason was "Bengali Language". This was the background of this agitation. But when the agitation starts, the primary reason was harassment of the Bengali speaking people and restriction on use of Bengali language,which is here. The primary source of this article,which is a governmental website, also uses the term "Bhasa Andolon". As i mentioned previously , making the title "Formation of Purulia" will simply demonstrate the effect of this event,thus omitting the main and important reason and the significance of this article will be simply lost. I strongly disagree with the above mentioned title. It could be renamed to "Manbhum Bhasa Andolon" , which actually it is. @Kmzayeem Inclusion to Bengal was one demand and formation of present day purulia district was the fulfillment of that demand. But the driving force behind all these things are Bengali language and its people. Simply presenting the event in the above way ignores the the main reason. Som999 (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep (Nominator's vote) Got the last comment of Som999 and I think the article is valid along with its current title. But I think more citations and references need to be added to keep it away from further AfDs or WP:PRODs. Currently it only has 4 references, 2 of which links to wikilinks. --Zayeem (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Can't really agree for the above mentioned title. Inclusion was the initial reason but the main catalyst was the Bengali Language and its sentiment. Although there was a demand of inclusion of Manbhum district to Bengal but that is also by the Bengali speaking people as they wanted a separate district for them. So here also the main reason was "Bengali Language". This was the background of this agitation. But when the agitation starts, the primary reason was harassment of the Bengali speaking people and restriction on use of Bengali language,which is here. The primary source of this article,which is a governmental website, also uses the term "Bhasa Andolon". As i mentioned previously , making the title "Formation of Purulia" will simply demonstrate the effect of this event,thus omitting the main and important reason and the significance of this article will be simply lost. I strongly disagree with the above mentioned title. It could be renamed to "Manbhum Bhasa Andolon" , which actually it is. @Kmzayeem Inclusion to Bengal was one demand and formation of present day purulia district was the fulfillment of that demand. But the driving force behind all these things are Bengali language and its people. Simply presenting the event in the above way ignores the the main reason. Som999 (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Does seem to be notable.Shyamsunder (talk) 00:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.