Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertis Downs, IV

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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 10:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bertis Downs, IV[edit]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —Punkrocker1991 (talk) 23:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Subject does not meet notability guidelines for just being associated with notables Canyouhearmenow 13:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Subject is very notable. In 1996 he negotiated the largest recording contract up to that point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.E.M.#Monster_and_New_Adventures_in_Hi-Fi:_1994.E2.80.931996 among other achievements. A number of GHits makes me feel that article satisfies [WP:BASIC] and [WP:ANYBIO] Punkrocker1991 (talk) 14:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, upon a search of the largest contract, it leads to an article that states Downs presented the announcement but does not say he was responsible for the negotiation. [1]. Again, just because someone worked with someone of notability does not make them a candidate for notability themselves. I have sat in on several Grammy award winning projects and even gave my opinion, but that in no way makes me a Grammy award winner or entitled to recognition for being a part. --Canyouhearmenow 14:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- -- Cirt (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I respectfully ask if you searched for GHits for "Bertis Downs" and "Bertis E Downs" as these both also bring up quite a few articles. Punkrocker1991 (talk) 23:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or move and merge with R.E.M. article. Regarding notability, Downs is credited as being the contract administrator and a negotiator of the contract in question. Qwerty (talk) 06:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think a merge into the R.E.M. article would be a better solution. I am still on the fence as to the notability of this subject on his own merits. All of the articles seem to be wrap around articles and outlining the same material. I am not saying that he does not deserve credit for his work, but I think it would be a better fit to merge him into the article that most of the references lead to. That being the R.E.M. group article. --Canyouhearmenow 13:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'Delete No evidence of notability given at all. where is the WP:RS coverage? NBeale (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.