Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BentallGreenOak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. The official closure is "No consensus". But I can see the possibility, in the future, of an editor Merging or Redirecting this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BentallGreenOak[edit]

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Non-notable investment company, seems to be affiliated with SunLife, which could perhaps be a merge target. I can only find PR pieces about them. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Finance and Canada. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and New York. Skynxnex (talk) 02:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - see:
- Ex-M.Stanley bankers launch new property venture (Reuters)
- The Bengal GreenOak merger was ‘like two puzzle pieces coming together” (PERE)
  - PERE covers the primary private equity real estate world with a circulation of 35,000. It's not dependent on ads or press releases; subscriptions cost $3000+

These provide substantial explanations of the company's business.

BentallGreenOak is huge - they manage $47 billion worth of real estate.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 04:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete only coverage are WP:ROUTINE press releases and the like. Andre🚐 04:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those 2 articles are press releases -- why did you say that?

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Read ROUTINE, it includes articles that are just press announcements of mergers and the like. Andre🚐 21:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've read ROUTINE. I disagree with your assessment. These provide in-depth explanations of the company's activities.

Why do you really want to get rid of this article?

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 15:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you see how the the reuters article starts with a location, date, source (e.g. LONDON, Aug 2 (Reuters))? That's how you know its PR. Here's the announcement from Tetragon and you can see the Reuters article regurgitates it - fails ORGIND. ~~The Pere article though is good enough to meet NCORP criteria as it contains in-depth opinion/analysis.~~ On another read-through, no, the author uses a technique of summarising what has been said which was made clear by the included quotes later in the article. HighKing⁺⁺ 20:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Its an enormous firm that do direct commercial lending across the UK and Ireland for real estate transactions. Press Up Entertainment and Paddy McKillen among the clients Here. Its among the Top 50 lenders into property in Europe, almost all of the rest have a Wikipedia page. [1]Financefactz (talk) 11:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete there are several concerns regarding its notability and compliance with Wikipedia's standards:

General Notability: Wikipedia's general notability guideline states that a topic is presumed to be suitable for a standalone article if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Although the article mentions various acquisitions and investments made by BGO, and the above editors indicated some possible reliable sources it does not provide enough significant independent and secondary sources to establish its notability beyond basic facts. --VertyBerty (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Was Sun Life Financial the possible Merge target you had in mind Oaktree b?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was yes. Oaktree b (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist, right now looking like a No Consensus closure.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Sun Life Financial. Sometimes even billion-dollar companies seem to fail the notability criteria. I'm unable to locate any substantial significant articles about the company or analyst reports that provide in-depth information. I'm surprised HighKing⁺⁺ 20:52, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.