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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ben-Joseph Livnat[edit]

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per WP:NOTNEWS. known only for a single event. noq (talk) 09:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Albeit so, he comes from a good family and it seems he martyred himself for his cause. We should not speak bad of the dead, and his family and friends would appreciate but a short mention of his existence. I vote to abbridge and retain, thank you. Pvujin (talk) 10:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a eulogy site. noq (talk) 10:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tendered the page in anticipation that more information would be forthcoming. I'd give it a week and see if anything else pops up. Hcobb (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, non notable person.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and move to Murder of Ben-Joseph Livnat per our precedent for these types of similar incidents. NOTNEWS is a faulty basis of nomination because his murder is currently receiving a huge amount of international coverage and predictions about the future end of the coverage are just predictions. Moreover, it is unlikely that his murder will not receive significant coverage down the line. This murder was unique as it was perpetuated by the Palestinian Authority, the very "police force" that was supposed to "guard" Israeli citizens from any terrorist attacks.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Information about the incident is already at the Josephs Tomb article:[1]. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This death is extremely regrettable, of course, but would anyone who would like to describe the death as a "murder" be so eager to do so if the situation had been reversed, i.e. if a Palestinian was shot after he and his group had moved barriers at an Israeli checkpoint out of the way, and then fled when Israeli soldiers fired (first) in the air and warned them to stop? The article cannot reasonably be moved to "Murder of ..." I likewise question whether those same editors would be !voting keep, even if, say, officials from the Palestinian Authority were talking it up, in the hypothetically reversed situation.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why when there are two versions of the event you decided to accept as a fact the non-Israeli version.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The non-Israeli version?" I was relying on what the IDF said, before any political statements were made to try to promote this as some kind of terrorism, as reported by Ynet. You might like to review my addition to the article's talk page. But leaving the specifics aside to forestall argument here, if you'd like to persuade me that you think a Palestinian who knowingly violated an Israeli checkpoint in the same way would not be shot, or would like to make me aware of anything I may have missed, feel free to post to my talk. In all sincerity, I'd be happy to learn more about your perspective on this, but there, not here, I think would be best.  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the IDF version. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've added refs: two wp:rs to the article itself, and four wp:rs refs to the talk page, and six that I'm uncertain about re wp:rs. I haven't expanded content at all, although there's plenty of material that could be used to do so.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Nambia, others: NotNews, NotMemorial. One event. Israeli political officials are rattling sabers over it, and that's causing press attention, but that doesn't change the fundamental nature of the event.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:18, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete on the basis that Wikipedia is not a receptacle for everything that is in the news, Wikipedia is not a memorial site, the subject of the article is known for only one event, and notability is not automatically inherited by whom one has for relatives. That just about covers it. Carrite (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Joseph's Tomb. Since the information on this incident is in that article, I see no reason there should not be a redirect to there, and no reason has been provided in the discussion. Rlendog (talk) 16:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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