Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Being Mortal (film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article and, maybe more importantly, no additional support for Deletion even after two relistings. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being Mortal (film)[edit]

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As it stands this film holds no current plans to resume production in the near future, thus no longer satisfying WP:NFF. The film's production history is not extensive enough to me to merit exemption ala Akira (planned film). I attempted restoration back to draftspace to hold it, this was refused so now I must pursue deletion. NFF not satisfied, no guarantee for it to even be revisited, production history not extensive. This does not pass muster for mainspace. Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nardog: I have taken your talk page deletion of my comment as me not being welcome there. Pinging you to inform of deletion discussion. Rusted AutoParts 02:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Events, Law, Sexuality and gender, and United States of America. Skynxnex (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:NFF as principal photography has begun. This is precisely a case where the production itself is notable, as covered by the cited sources: [1][2][3][4][5]. It is Akira (planned film) that lacks "extensive production history"—in fact it has zero production history—in violation of NFF (but survived two AfDs anyway). If anything, the existence of that article supports keeping this article, not deleting it. Nardog (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, the literal first sentence on the article is "Being Mortal is a suspended (really should be rephrased to cancelled) American comedy-drama film written, directed, produced by, and starring Aziz Ansari in what was set to be his feature directorial debut". Whether it had begun or not is moot, it was pretty thoroughly cancelled in the state it had been in, and is not considered a production intended to even happen anymore. NFF is not satisfied in this sense, since the production had issues that ultimately interfered with it's intention to be a released film.

I had been the one to spearhead the two deletion discussions for Akira. Both times it was deemed notable on it's development/production history. Years and even decades worth of news. Being Mortal does not match that, hence the comparison. All it had really was film announced and some castings. The rest is about the suspending incident, which can just as effectively be covered at Ansari, Murray or both individual Wiki pages. By itself, it absolutely does not pass muster. Rusted AutoParts 02:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have articles about upcoming films not because we think they will be notable once they're released—which would be WP:CRYSTAL—but because they're already notable. NFF makes no distinction between forthcoming and suspended films. Your speculation on the "intention to be a released film" is OR, CRYSTAL, and irrelevant. Nardog (talk) 03:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's absolutely not OR, it's sourced in the article itself. "The filmmakers sought to find a financier and distributor to replace Searchlight to no avail. Ansari reportedly intends (Also love how this is sourced in there, he himself didn't even say this) to revisit Being Mortal", that's not speculation, that's an assertion the production is nonexistent. It was offloaded by it's distributor and ceased production almost two years ago. We aren't using a crystal ball to predict anything and I'm not asserting any kind of original research. And what sets this production apart from other upcoming films is that this is not an upcoming film anymore, and those other films have not been cancelled or suspended or delayed in production. What IS original research however is this edit summary where you assert what the category is for even though your special definition for it is not present in the category's description. Rusted AutoParts 03:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even the Puck source used to highlight Ansari "reportedly intends" to revisit it states the production will not be finished. Rusted AutoParts 03:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A precedent was also established with the film Gore, a film just about done with it's post-production cancelled. It's production history outside of the reason it was cancelled parallels the production history of Being Mortal. Too sparse details about the film, not the reason it was shelved, but the film itself were available, so it didn't meet notability on it's own. Rusted AutoParts 03:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's very exhausting to see this pick and choose mentality of when guidelines/policies/standards are exercised and when they are not on this website. Gore gets cancelled after nearing conclusion of post-production, it gets redirected as it no longer meet guidelines. This film gets cancelled two weeks in, and yet despite no production history outside of it's castings and when it started filming it's now a notable production. It's a film that for all intents and purposes will never be made. There is nothing on this page that merits salvaging outside of the incident, which as I said can be, and has been, summarized on Ansari's and Murray's articles. Just feels like a double standard. Rusted AutoParts 03:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable production failure.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please elaborate? The incident involving Murray doesn't make the attempted film itself notable. Rusted AutoParts 03:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage makes it notable. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage that pertains more to the actions of Bill Murray. Still doesn't make the film or it's subsequent cancellation notable per NFF. "Similarly, films produced in the past which were either not completed or not distributed should not have their own articles, unless their failure was notable per the guidelines". The film's "failure" isn't notable. It's failure was not the result of tumultuous or costly production problems detailed in length. It was the result of a crewmember's conduct, a crewmember who has a Wiki page we can, and already have, noted on their page. Rusted AutoParts 02:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Failure was significantly covered in reliable sources ergo notable per the guideline. I have no further comment. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The misconduct was significantly covered. Rusted AutoParts 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This has started a "principal photography" passing WP:NFF. The suspension coverage [6], [7], [8], [9] and [10] can be case of WP:ONE EVENT. Moving per BEFORE, the movie has been noted for it's role and it's suspension. For now, there mother option than to keep the record—suspension and it's SIGCOV!. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 00:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think this article meets notability. I would draftify Akira (planned film) as it has never gone beyond development, not even casting a single actor to my knowledge.TheMovieGuy 03:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.