Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bego Turks

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The result was redirect to Ada Kaleh. Sandstein 07:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bego Turks[edit]

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A procedural nomination after a recent RfD. This is an article about the Turkish-speaking inhabitants of the island of Ada Kaleh (that article currently has some content on "Bego" Turks, which may need attention depending on the findings of this discussion. Myself, I'm neutral. Copying the comments from the RfD:

Made up name. "Bego Turks" only gives Wikipedia-related results and "Bego Türkleri" gives 0. Super Ψ Dro 13:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

In the source who is written in German, there is given the name Bego Turks for the Inhabitans.

https://www.academia.edu/23622641/Mustafa_Bego_t%C3%BCrkischer_Nargileh_Raucher_und_ungarischer_Nationalheld_Nationale_Aneignung_und_internationale_Vermarktung_der_Insel_Ada_Kaleh

called Bego Turks Nalanidil (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Nalanidil, can you give the page where this name is said? By the way, if only one single source talks about this term, the information becomes doubtful. Super Ψ Dro 18:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
This is a PDF, I will scroll down it, but yes i understand what you mean, this is why i was confused too, the majority sources said they are turks, only one source said they are of mixed background

I think we can deleted the article then. Nalanidil (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

– Uanfala (talk) 23:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Romania, Serbia, and Turkey. – Uanfala (talk) 23:57, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect — not really covered by sources, and any useful content can be integrated into Ada Kaleh. — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think there are enough sources, but please delete the Article, My Godness...before so much nonsense comments are given about...Thanks Nalanidil (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Mustafa Bego was an inhabitant of Ada Kaleh who had a minor historical role [1]. Apart from the first sentence, the rest of the article is all nicked from Ada Kaleh. None of the sources seems to confirm the notion of "Bego Turks" for the inhabitants, so the article is OR at best and a hoax at worst. No such user (talk) 09:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
One thing is strange, while for every Turkish Group from Greece, like Western Thrace, Dodecanes, Cretian etc, they have an own Page, but for Turks from Ada Kaleh is not ok to have there own Page? don't call it a hoax, in the German pdf, who describes Bego Mustafa's Life and the Life of the Turkish inhabitants etc., it is explain why Bego's nickname was transferred to the entire population. Instead for deleting, the name can be changend in Turks of Ada Kaleh Thanks. Nalanidil (talk) 11:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here's the full bibliographical info for Blasen's charming paper: https://spiegelungen.net/multikulturelles-banat-i, the URL for the PDF is given above in the copied thread. My take on this is redirect to Ada Kaleh or merge into Turks in Romania. Blasen's paper only gives anecdotical evidence for the use of the term "Bego Turks" and does use not it himself when talking about the Turkish inhabitants of Ada Kaleh. He mentions on p. 18 a picture postcard from 1905 with an image of Mustafa Bego with the text "Begó-Türke". Mustafa Bego is thus (obviously erroneously) called a "Bego Turk". Blasen's comment: "Begos Beiname wird so zum Ethnikon einer türkischen Volksgruppe" ('Bego's nickname thus becomes an ethnonym for a Turkish [sub-]subethnic group'). This passing mention of "Bego Turk(s)" (which is most likely a spurious term coined by the publisher of a picture postcard) is not even the ghost of WP:SIGCOV that is necessary for a standalone article. –Austronesier (talk) 13:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well then a standalone Article with the name Turks from Ada Kaleh and not Bego Turks.

As you can see the Turkish groups from Greece have ALL there own Page, here have a Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Greece

The Turks of Ada Kaleh is not to compare with Turkish-Tatarian-Muslim Roma groups from Dobruja in Romania. The History and Background is absolutly different. Nalanidil (talk) 16:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a Look, why i think that the Turks from Ada Kaleh should be an own Page, because they are different Theorys about there Ethnicity.

This is in German language, under caroline insel, you can read that the inhabitants was Muslims from all part of the ottoman empire who spoke an ottoman turkish as language. see: https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/wissen/geschichte/545006-Die-vergessene-Insel-des-Islam.html

So this meant, muslims from different ethnicity of the ottoman empire live in this island, a similar source in english said, this turkish Islanders was a mix of arabs, albanians, kurd and turks see: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/ada-kaleh-an-ottoman-atlantis-on-the-danube/

yet in this sources it is said of turks only: https://www.dailysabah.com/feature/2016/01/22/ada-kaleh-a-turkish-island-in-the-danube-river, https://www.thewhitereview.org/feature/ada-kaleh-the-story-of-an-island/

and https://historyofyesterday.com/the-turkish-island-that-the-romanian-communists-sank-into-the-danube-69570222c06e?gi=eae818ca72e7, https://patrickleighfermor.org/2012/09/22/on-the-island-of-ada-kaleh-on-the-danube/ Nalanidil (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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