Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beer Die (relist nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. --Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 22:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Beer Die

One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. -- Saberwyn 10:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process. Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction. Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible? I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Vizjim 11:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, listed in the Best Drinking Games Book Ever, as this appears to be a generic dice game for drinking, and with 250+ Amazon.com drinking game books listed... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT as with previous noms; will never have WP:V content beyond the rules. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8? This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. An article on this drinking game has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted). However, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 10:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Another how-to. Brian G. Crawford 21:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • {{sofixit}}. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 12:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Verifiable. -- GWO
• Keep per Vizjim's reasoning. --Rocketgoat 00:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a verifiable board game played by a vast number of people. Similar to Vizjim's argument, if you are contemplating deleting it because it is a HOW-TO, or that it cannot be further verified, then you must also consider deleting the Wikipedia pages for the following: Chess, Poker, and Backgammon. You'll find that these pages also contain instruction and a lack of references.
• Keep I'm tired of writing vote comments. Dspserpico 18:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If you remove beer die, you have to remove pretty much all drinking games ColbyCollege 16:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• weak delete Due to the point about this being an instruction manual. It seems to belong either in Wiktionary or perhaps as a two-sentence entry in "Drinking Games".

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.