Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beam me up Scotty

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The result was Move to Beam Me Up Scotty (mixtape). No consensus to delete. Flowerparty^☀ 07:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beam me up Scotty[edit]

Mixtape with very little media coverage of substance. Fails WP:NALBUMS. TheJazzDalek (talk) 14:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —TheJazzDalek (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable; and besides, and certainly not as notable as the other use of "beam me up scotty". Fuzbaby (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete One article on the artist should be enough. Not one on every "mixtape" she does. I was also expecting it to be on the expression from Star Trek. Borock (talk) 16:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy redirect to Beam me up, Scotty. DreamGuy (talk) 16:40, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per DreamGuy, not notable, and I'll take the author's word that she is a "sexy vixen". Drawn Some (talk) 17:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
beam it up and spread its atoms over space (Delete)- I seriously wonder how people think mixtapes are so notable. If I put a bunch of songs together as a mixtape, can I create a wiki article about it? /end snark Umbralcorax (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell this old guy the difference between a mixtape and an album. (I read Mixtape and that clears it up a little. I guess a mixtape is an album where you don't pay the original artists.) Borock (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete history and redirect to Beam me up, Scotty per Dreamguy. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 18:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Beam me up, Scotty per above. Doesn't appear to be a notable mixtape. Cliff smith ^talk 20:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - 99% of the time, mixtapes are non-notable. As stated on WP:NALBUMS, "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources." This is probably the first case that I have run into a mixtape that actually does have coverage, I was surprised to see two references from MTV as well as two magazines. Especially for a mixtape that's pretty impressive. I'm calling this a "weak" keep because I don't feel that mixtapes really belong on Wikipedia at all, but this article does barely meet the stated requirements. -- Atama ^chat 22:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The two MTV links are basically the same thing, it's just that one is video and the other is the written version. Datpiff.com is an unreliable source that basically just catalogs mixtapes. The allmusic link is to Minaj's biography—they haven't reviewed the mixtape, nor is it mentioned in the bio. The hiphopmusic.com link is to a blog post that consists of one paragraph about the release and a link to download it. No magazines are linked from the article. For an example of a mixtape that does pass WP:NALBUMS, see Mixtape Messiah 3. (Note the review in the New York Times.) TheJazzDalek (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Beam me up, Scotty even if kept. If kept, move this article to Beam me up Scotty (mixtape). I have no opinion on whether or not article should be kept or not Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 03:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and then redirect to Beam me up, Scotty. Lugnuts (talk) 08:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep The mixtape has some reliable sources but they are good sources. Str8cash (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sourced ≠ Notable. TheJazzDalek (talk) 23:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a weird AfD, because I'm certain most people thought they were coming here for something about Star Trek, not hip-hop. First off I would agree that, if kept, this should be moved to Beam me up Scotty (mixtape) and this should be a redirect to the famous phrase. I'm a major hip-hop head in addition to being a trekkie so let me weigh in here. First of all there's a problem with our guideline on albums, I would argue, in that by giving less weight to mixtapes it fails to recognize that they can often be quite important in hip-hop, at times more so than albums. I'd not heard of Minaj before, but she is a protege of the person who is undoubtedly, for better or for worse, the biggest rap star alive right now, Lil Wayne, and this was released on his quite notable Young Money Entertainment label. It includes guest appearances by extremely well-know people such as Lil Wayne, Busta Rhymes, Gucci Mane and Ron Browz. In addition to the couple of sources in the article, this mixtape has been mentioned (albeit briefly) by The Source and, unbelievably, the notoriously unhip New York Times (in a blog entry). There are a a ton of blog hits when one does an exact search on the album title and the artist's name, including full reviews like this. I understand the prejudice against blogs as sources, but we're really going to have to start getting over that, especially for pop culture items. So what I see here is an album (in hip-hop a mixtape often just means you rap over already-used beats and the production values are not nearly as good - for some artists, including Lil Wayne, their mixtapes are as eagerly awaited and well received as their studio albums) by a clearly notable up and coming artist, released on the label of the biggest star in the rap industry, and with some reasonable coverage in the blogosphere. I think that makes it notable enough to warrant an article, and I would hope the closing admin would consider relisting this since I'm bringing some new info to the table here toward the very end of the AfD period. I would also note that the many of the delete and redirect !votes above provide no rationale, and a couple are either admittedly snarky about mixtapes in general or confused about what they are. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 06:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Beam me up Scotty (mixtape) (or Beam me up Scotty (Nicki Minaj) - I have no particular preference), then redirect Beam me up Scotty to Beam me up, Scotty - Agree with what's been written above. --Pdfpdf (talk) 09:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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