Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bassel al-Araj

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The result was keep. I've verified that User:A.Jacobin and User:AndersZorn are both subject to WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 due to having too few edits. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:25, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bassel al-Araj[edit]

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Beyond the rather serious POV issues (e.g "Israeli occupation forces"), this activist is simply not notable. Prior to his death, his social media posts and protesting did not generate SIGCOV. His death, in a shootout with IDF, did generate coverage but of a WP:BIO1E nature and mainly around the event itself. We generally do not maintain bio pages for casualties/martyrs -WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Icewhiz (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ (per Al Jazeera source) Fails WP:SIGCOV. Sourcing to partisan websites like /samidoun.net does not add to notability. There was a brief, minor flurry of coverage limited to the Israel/Palestinian region at the time of the shootout between this armed activist and security forces attempting to arrest him. Post 2017 sources limited to a memorial article in Electronic Intifada, deprecated by noticeboard consensus as "generally unreliable." But WP:NOTMEMORIAL.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- - Og this is rich, E.M.Gregory: seeing all those total unknown Israelis you have started WP:MEMORIAL articles on, when they were killed? Your double standards reaches new record height all the time: congratulations. Huldra (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Unlike all those totally unknown Israelis that, say E.M.Gregory and others have started WP:MEMORIAL articles about, Bassel al-Araj was a fairly well known name, at least on the West Bank, before he was killed. (BTW, if this article is deleted, I will AfD dozens and dozens of those WP:MEMORIALs, because then we have a completely new standard here). There are articles about Bassel al-Araj in Jadaliyya, al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, Times of Israel; you name it. Huldra (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not a known name in RSes. Social media is... Social media. WP:OSE on other possible NOTMEMORIAL articles is not a valid AfD rationale.Icewhiz (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is mentioned in RS that he was a well known name on the West Bank. And that is a valid rationale against AfD, Huldra (talk) 21:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat known social media activist - does not confer notability (nor pre-death coverage in RSes of any note).Icewhiz (talk) 21:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RS disagree, Huldra (talk) 21:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huldra, you may want to reread WP:SOURCES and WP:GNG. I can always be persuaded to reconsider an iVote if someone brings reliable, SECONDARY WP:SOURCES that meet WP:GNG. But coverage has to be SUSTAINED, not, as here, a brief news cycle.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not a notable person or event.A.Jacobin (talk) 14:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)User disallowed from commenting here per WP:ARBPIA3[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A quick search of LexisNexis for al-Araj's name in Arabic script produces a fourteen pieces of newspaper/news agency coverage of him through 2016 in his work as an activist and regarding his imprisonment and trial, alongside the extensive coverage after his death. My Arabic is very poor so I can't add this stuff into the article until I have much more time on my hands, but there material is there. Of course, if we did still conclude that al-Araj is not notable as a person, the article could simply be renamed something like 'Death of Bassel al-Araj' and its notability assessed on that basis. Alarichall (talk) 13:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you email me the text of those articles I can take a look. nableezy - 22:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That'd be great. Email me at [email protected] and then I'll know your edress and can send you some material. Alarichall (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

done. nableezy - 01:02, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of WP:SUSTAINED coverage of his death (beyond the cycle around the death itself) precludes notability of a "death of" article. Icewhiz (talk) 13:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This armed fighter, apparently a pharmacist in his day job, left a suicide note and was killed in a 2-hour gun battle with Israeli authorities. He was an obscure figure before his death, his death was the routine death of individuals who take up arms against a legitimate government, and he has remained obscure in the years since his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndersZorn (talk • contribs) 13:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC) User disallowed from commenting here by WP:ARBPIA3[reply]
Keep - per this Al-Jazeera article 2 years later devoted entirely to al-Araj and his impact, demonstrating sustained in-depth coverage. nableezy - 00:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've just emailed User:Nableezy a large collection of Arabic newspaper articles mentioning al-Araj -- including some from before his death. This would definitely improve the source base for this article, and should help establish his notability or non-notability. I'd like to suggest that people hold off deciding about this until Nableezy has had a chance to look at this material and post here, therefore. Alarichall (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest closing editor roll this one over for a week to see whether the sources mentioned above constitute SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisted o give opportunity for sources to be included.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Catfish Jim and the soapdish 11:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reiterate my keep from above. Along with the al-Jazeera article two years later entirely about him, there is coverage in November 2018 on his works being published posthumously. There was also contemporary coverage of his arrest in 2016 by the PA, the hunger strike he took, his release ordered by the Palestinian courts, and of Israeli raids on his familys home from 2016-2018 in the sources Alarichall emailed me. These sources span several years, they satisfy the requirement for in depth, sustained coverage. Ill add what I have time for to the article now, but the nomination rationale has been thoroughly debunked. nableezy - 16:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not going to !vote but I think Nableezy does present a quite clear case of notability here. BabbaQ (talk) 22:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are now no valid delete !votes, think this can be closed per WP:SNOW. nableezy - 16:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.