Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbie and the Diamond Castle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barbie and the Diamond Castle[edit]

Disputed prod. This LOOKS well sourced but the cites lead nowhere. The Barbie website doesn't list this film, the Hollywood Reporter article doesn't cite it by name, and all I can find on Amazon is a sticker book. The dolls apparently exist, or will exist, but the film is not mentioned in connection with them. The official Universal Studios site doesn't list this as a forthcoming film. Doesn't meet verifiability policy, probably WP:NOT#CRYSTAL or WP:NFF. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per notability guidelines and WP:NFF - Fritzpoll (talk) 16:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment After I listed this, I kept searching and found this reference on the Target website to an upcoming film, here. (The first couple of pages of Google citations were for a sticker book and a storybook.) I'm less confident in this proposal now but will let others have their say, and apologize if I've wasted anyone's time. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the need for deletion then appears to depend on this part of WP:NFF

Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should not have their own articles, unless the production itself is notable per notability guidelines.

I will reconsider my vote to delete on this basis -Fritzpoll (talk) 16:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- While we generally discourage not-yet-released stuff, this one is far enough along that it's already on some retail websites and supporting items (such as storybooks) are already out. Every film in this series has been on a national best seller chart. It is not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL to believe this one will be also. Just like it is reasonable to assume that the next Harry Potter or Disney movie will be notable. That being said... we probably aren't likely to see reviews for several months, so if this is deleted please don't mark it permanent as it will certainly be worthy of an article at some point. Frog47 (talk) 17:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the movie may not be released yet, but they're already announcing books and toys for the thing. So I'd say this makes the production notable.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Devil's Advocate's arguments. A1octopus (talk) 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 23:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It has been promoted by toys and books, I'd say that makes it notable. Izzy007 Talk 01:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Change of opinion, given the references discovered since my last writing - Fritzpoll (talk) 18:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.