Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbera Hale Thornhill

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The result was draftify. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barbera Hale Thornhill[edit]

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WP:BLP1E currently applies. Suggest DRAFTIFY, in case she becomes ambassador soon and has notable events. 1292simon (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. She would pass WP:NPOL as an ambassador upon confirmation. As the nomination has been pending for almost a year, it seems unlikely that she'll be confirmed. Draftification seems like a reasonable solution, as we could pull it out of draft if confirmation ever happens. On the other hand, the article could (and likely would) just be recreated if she is confirmed, so deletion seems fine too. I'm pretty ambivalent. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Per WP:OUTCOMES ‘Ambassadors are not considered inherently notable.’ Mccapra (talk) 04:16, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Bizarre! Granted, there's usually very little information about them, but still—you'd think that if we give state/provincial legislators a default pass, we should also give ambassadors one? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The main distinction is between elected office and appointment. Ambassadors can be notable, but just aren't inherently so. Mccapra (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many legislators aren't elected, either: British lords, Canadian senators, and Chinese politburo members, for example. Even though ambassadors act (theoretically) with the same power as the head of state, they usually attract much less attention from the media. pburka (talk) 12:25, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep There’s a whole lot of press release-ism going on here, but I do believe there is some potential. At best, draftify. Trillfendi (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ambassadors are not default notable, let alone people who were nominated for ambassadorships and never confirmed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 04:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify in case she becomes notable in the future (which is a possibility). Java Hurricane 10:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. I can see this being kept either if she is confirmed, or if she is rejected and it becomes newsworthy; or if some other indicia of notability can be found based on her other activities. BD2412 T 00:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.