Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barış Özcan (YouTuber)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barış Özcan (YouTuber)[edit]

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This article was deleted back in February 2020. Back then, several concerns were raised by Otr500. Among them were the absence of a detailed section on his works and/or achievements, as well as his alleged connection to the FETO movement. None of these concerns have been addressed in this newly created article. Thus it either has to be deleted, or moved into the draft space. Keivan.f^Talk 04:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I’ve started this page as a translation to english. He has more than 4 million subscribers on YouTube. And also reliable sources. I think can be keep. Baran Ahmet 06:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those arguments were put forward back in February, and everyone agreed on the fact that the number of subscribers on YouTube doesn’t guarantee notability. As a matter of fact, the previous version, which was deleted, was a translated version of the article on the Turkish Wikipedia, but still it had major issues that needed to be fixed. This one is even worse; a stub with no detailed content. Keivan.f^Talk 08:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep if it gets expanded. I found a couple of sources published by major Turkish newspapers/websites. Hürriyet: [1], Takvim: [2], Yeni Akit: [3], Haberler.com: [4] and Molatik (Milliyet): [5]. Although not proof of notability, he has a large fanbase within Turkey. ~Styyx ^{Hi! ^-^} 09:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draftspace if it stays like this. I might edit it if I have time. ~Styyx ^{Hi! ^-^} 12:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also think it should go to the draft space. To be honest, the previous version that was deleted back in February had more details and could easily be worked on. I don’t know whether it can be restored as a draft or not. Maybe you should consult an admin first, because the previous version could be expanded with much less effort I guess. Keivan.f^Talk 17:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per Styyx’s request on my talk page, I have restored and draftified the original article to Draft: Barış Özcan. Please keep in mind that if either version is expanded with content (including references) from the other, we’ll need to merge the histories. Feel free to ping me if that is the case.LadyofShalott 14:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this never should have been restored as per this and should have gone through the AFC process. Having 4 million followers/likes/subscribers is an absolutely worthless metric as they can be easily manipulated but are also not an indication of coverage in independent reliable sources. Praxidicae (talk) 11:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Of course his 4 million subscribers are not enough, but there are a lot of sources from major Turkish publishers. ~Styyx ^{Hi! ^-^} 12:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment AfD deletion for lack of notability does not mean an article can't be draftified (and the draft is not what the AfD is on; it was created for the ease of those wishing to try to improve it). LadyofShalott 14:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This by Yeni Akit is not a reliable source in the slightest, considering the fact that the lead of our very own article says Yeni Akit is one of the top three Turkish newspapers featuring hate speech. A source that publishes propaganda and hate speech isn't acceptable. This is nothing more than a PR puff piece and certainly isn't meaningful in depth coverage. I'll go through the rest later. Praxidicae (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV. Even being a YouTuber with 8 million followers is not enough for automatic notability. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject_YouTube/Notability. Bearian (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The subject in the AfD you mentioned had no secondary sources. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 07:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since the aforementioned draft has been restored and would supersede this, should it get published. -2pou (talk) 22:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.