Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bandersnatch (Known Space)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was The result was Keep. Merging is a separate editorial option which can be discussed at the article's talk page. Shimeru 12:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bandersnatch (Known Space)[edit]

Non-notable extraterrestrial species in Larry Niven's fictional Known Space universe. Fails WP:FICT. Proposed deletion, but removed by 198.82.125.211 without edit summary. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge anything worth keeping to the Known Space article and delete. Update the link at Bandersnatch (disambiguation) to link to Known Space. Otto4711 21:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merger and deletion are mutually imcompatible. Please pick one. Uncle G 02:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - How are they mutually incompatible? What he wants is quite clear: first to merge the useful contents into Known Space, and then delete the remains. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 08:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - ... which the GFDL does not permit. As I said, they are mutually incompatible. One can pick one of either merger or deletion, not both. Uncle G 11:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Right, retaining page history etcetera, was that it? Now I remember. Sorry. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 12:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. All due respect to a much-beloved series, I'm not sure most of the articles at Known_Space#Species pass WP:FICT (exceptions, Kzinti & Pierson's Puppeteers), and could all be handled in a merged List of species in Known Space. --Dhartung | Talk 04:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge Obviously the alien species in Larry Niven's books are generally worth covering, some perhaps more than others, so I don't object to keeping, but I wouldn't contest a merge either. I do think this article needs some cleanup though. 68.101.23.35 23:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge, as per User 68. Noroton 20:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Wikipedia:Notability (fiction): the article uses only promotional sources (the author's website and an online encyclopedia copyrighted to the author) so it does not establish notability. If any encyclopedic material (per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)) can be verified then merge that with the main article. --maclean 02:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability is determined by the sources that exist, not solely the sources that happen to be used. The book that the article cites is not by Niven. Uncle G 02:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't consider a mentioning on pages 111 and 112 of an 'An Unofficial Companion Guide' to be sufficient to establish notability. I interpret Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)'s "encyclopedic treatment" to mean that the source would have to provide out-of-universe context. Otherwise, it is just a summary of the primary source material (ie. fictional guide). I have no objections to it being re-created if "encyclopedic treatment" can be written, but currently it is just a sentance about the name followed by a long plot summary. --maclean 04:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge, as per users 68 and Noroton. The Bandersnatch may not play a major role in the series, but they do play a role. Noclevername 19:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.