Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baltimore Urban Debate League

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The result was keep. Secret ^account 02:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baltimore Urban Debate League[edit]

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I think this is the first time a good article has ever been nominated for AFD, but seriously all the sources, with the exception of http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/05/60minutes/main557188.shtml this one] are either not independent of the subject, has nothing to do with the subject like the fire news stories, or are local news coverage which I don't see as significant of the subject, and they talk about different high schools that use debate, not the debate society in general. The news source I linked talked about debating in Inner-city schools and just used a Baltimore high school as an example not about the league, that's not sigificant, non trivial coverage. Fails WP:N, borderline WP:COATRACK article. Anything mergeable should be used on the school's article, not here. Delete Secret ^account 20:25, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Note when I mean about COATRACK is that it talks about all the leagues achivements when it acually it's the schools debate programs that achived those accomplishments, not the league. Secret ^account 21:08, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:GNG this is just not a notable organisation. Codf1977 (talk) 06:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think both of you need to look at Google news and Google Books. There's way more than enough hits to show notability. The article just needs to be improved with them. Silver seren^C 06:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Everything in google books are directories and one passing mention, I'm inspecting the google news hits sources closely. Secret ^account 00:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
At first glance most of the sources are local news stories or passing mentions, but there's several that may claim notability. I clicked on one random source this doesn't claim notability, still inspecting, if i see several that aren't local news stories or passing mentions I'll withdraw the nomination. Secret ^account 00:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Baltimore Afro-American news stories are promotional in tone to the group, that's about half the links, the CBS news link I already mentioned, this Washington Post is a passing mention, this is a college newspaper source passing mention. Some other sources duplicate each other, the only claim of notability they have is that they were honored by the White House, which many groups are honored every year. It makes the local news of course, but that doesn't claim notability by our standards. Secret ^account 00:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In light of finding this and this, among a number of other references, I feel that this article certainly has enough notability. Silverseren^C 01:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Those two are passing mentions, not about the subject themselves, one is about a school that is in the league and another one is about urban debate in general. Secret ^account 02:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Start on page 3. That has a good amount of coverage of the BUDL that is non-trivial. Silver seren^C 02:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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