Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bajingan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The general conclusion is that this insult / social phenomenon is not sufficiently notable. Der yck C. 17:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bajingan[edit]

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Per WP:NOTDICT. This relatively obscure Javanese word shows little coverage in reliable sources, and is likely impossible to expand beyond the dictionary defintion of how the term is used (regardless of its pejorative connotations). —^0xF₈E₈ (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:NN. It's nothing more than a Javanese/Indonesian term of abuse, so WP:NOTDIC too. Davidelit (Talk) 04:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there's nothing actually acceptable for a Wikipedia encyclopedia article, currently acceptable by all means. SwisterTwister talk 07:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's difficult to gauge the coverage because almost all of the sources I see on google scholar are, expectedly, in Indonesian. Until an editor with a knowledge of the language comes here to evaluate them, we'll have to go by the ones in English, no matter how slim they might be. The title of one of them suggests that the bajingan are a social group that is relevant in the dynamics of power in rural Indonesia. Also, one of the two references given in the article is about a Bajingan Festival. Even if such a festival is a recent creation of the tourism industry, it still points in the direction of an underlying cultural significance. Uanfala (talk) 10:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: your link to Google Scholar returns a 403 error when I click on it. Could you provide a citation of the work you have in mind? Cnilep (talk) 08:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, here's the citation:

Ashari, L., 2003. Power Sharing Between the Kyai, Bajingan and the Village Head. Mimeo. World Bank Office Jakarta. Uanfala (talk) 09:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I found several books or articles discussing the word qua word, but they were mainly treatments of swearing or joking in Javanese or Indonesian, or else works in translation theory. The treatment of the word in English doesn't seem to rise to the level of Ain't or Nigger, though of course such work might be published in Indonesian. Cnilep (talk) 08:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not notable for a stand alone article. Kierzek (talk) 22:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If bajingan isn't notable as a swear word, I'm wondering what 0xF8E8 and Davidelit might think about its other meaning as a social/cultural class of the rural population. Uanfala (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As the sources currently stand, it would be better covered in an article on Indonesian social classes. I agree a fuller examination of the Indonesian sources is necessary. My main concern right now is that this entry doesn't seem like it's going to be anything more than a dictionary definition, but coverage in Indonesian sources may convince me otherwise. I tried pasting some of the Scholar titles into Google Translate to get an idea of what they're covering, but it largely came out a jumbled mess. For now, I guess we'll have to wait until an Indonesian speaker comes along. —^0xF₈E₈ (talk) 00:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the social class definition still fails WP:SIGCOV. Incidentally I can't find it on the World Bank website. Incidentally 2: the Indonesian Wikipedia Bajingan article is mostly about oxcart drivers. All in all I still vote for delete, as above. Davidelit (Talk) 01:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.