Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Badal bey Badalbeyli

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The result was merge to Afrasiyab Badalbeyli . nothing additional having been found; given difficulties with sourcing & transliteration, the simplest solution is the suggested merge DGG ( talk ) 23:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Badal bey Badalbeyli[edit]

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Contested PROD. I can't find any references about this person that would prove notability, and the current references in the article do not seem to be reliable sources. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 08:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. --Hegvald (talk) 09:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. --Hegvald (talk) 09:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep he was a prominent member of Azerbaijani cultural heritage who contributed significantly in development of culture in Karabakh and to the development of education and theater in Azerbaijan. Ladytimide (talk) 12:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair enough, and from the description in the article it sounded like he was quite an important person. I'm afraid we can't take your word for it though - do you have any sources that might be able to show that he satisfies the notability criteria for biographies? Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is the transliteration of his name? Drmies (talk) 18:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did some Google Translate magic, and ~~it looks like his name in Russian is "Афрасияб Бадалбейли"~~. Someone should probably check that, though. No idea if this is the same script/spelling as in the original Azerbaijani. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 01:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, looks like that's his son, not him. Wait a minute, I'll try again. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 01:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it seems like the whole of the website linked from the article is about Afrasiyab Badalbeyli and doesn't mention a "Badal bey Badalbeyli" at all. Not looking too good verifiability-wise here. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 01:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He is mentioned as "Бадалбек" a bit down on the page. The source as such seems OK at first glance, as it is published at the domain of the National Library of Azerbaijan, but is clearly mainly about the son. --Hegvald (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I stand corrected. Sorry, looking through those machine translations obviously isn't all that effective. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 10:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that the person is notable and removed the PROD. However, Ladytimide, you really need to do some legwork: visit a library, use printed sources: books on Azeri theatre or culture of the period, journals, newspapers. The sources are very likely to be out there, but those of us without cultural competence or access to the relevant institutions cannot help you. If no improvement is made (and I can understand how it may seem overwhelming to have to do that within a week) I suggest that the article gets redirected to the article on the son Afrasiyab Badalbeyli with a couple of sentences being merged to that. That way none of the current content is actually lost, as it will remain in the history of the redirect page. This redirection can easily be reversed at any time when you have done more research. --Hegvald (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. I found an archive of the article in question, courtesy of the Russian article on Afrasiyab Badalbeyli. From this it looks like it is from a now-defunct Azeri newspaper called "Kaspiy", which we can probably assume to be reliable. Also, from Hegvald's very helpful comment we now have Badal bey Badalbeyli's name in Cyrillic script ("Бадалбек Бадалбейли"), which I have put into a couple of {{find sources}} templates above. These searches bring up several web hits, but nothing for Google News or Books. Because of this, I think their merge suggestion is probably the best way forward. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 10:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 01:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →B music ian 00:46, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.