Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Awam (film)

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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Awam (film)[edit]

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I cannot see how this is encyclopedic content. There are no reliable sources, and it doesn't seem to meet the basic criteria in WP:NF. Maashatra11 (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, a fairly famous bollywood film starring Rajesh Khanna. Easy to find refs on Google Books. I'm not sure what criteria is not being achieved. Shii (tock) 05:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

wp:NF says : "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This guideline includes published works such as books, television documentaries, full-length featured newspaper articles from large circulation newspapers, full-length magazine reviews and criticism excluding the following: Media reprints of press releases, trailers, and advertising for the film. Trivial coverage, such as newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews," plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide," "Time Out Film Guide," or the Internet Movie Database."
I think that "listings in comprehensive film guides such as "Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide" matches the type of reference you gave ([1] and [2].) There doesn't seem to be significant coverage for this film anywhere. I won't object if you'll find a significant source in Hindi for example. Maashatra11 (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Unfortunately I am in New England and have no access to a Hindi library. :) Shii (tock) 18:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I withold judgement.... and time to await input from Wikipedians that have access to Indian sources about an Indian film. Considering the director and cast, I am hoping this may not be too difficult. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Any film starring Rajesh Khanna & Smita Patil and directed by B. R. Chopra would have got enough coverage in Hindi and English media in India. This film was somewhat notable because it was the last film for Patil (she died during filming). But this was in 1987 and Indian newspapers went online only in 2000. It will be difficult to find sources online. Here is a BR Chopra interview from a 1987 issue of cineblitz that talks about the film. And for more recent sources, I found a trivial reference in this obit of B.R. Chopra. And it has some analysis here in a scholarly work.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article should be kept as then only in future genrations would get to know there wasa movie by this name and that plot,starcast was so and so. In india , IT development happened only in 2000.Mosat are still not aware of how wikipedia should be updated. Online there are only refernces available which show the existance of the movie.BR Chopra movie it is that too starring Superstar Rajesh Khanna - in the book collections it was given 2.5 stars and as the film didnt exceed the expectations of producers in box office collection book only its wriiten that it couldnt exceed BR Chopras expectations.Reality is know to Indian film viewers.Awam is a political satire. Plot is Amar (Rajesh Khanna),a captain and the son of a freedom fighter is employed as the P.A. of Jagrattan (Om Shivpuri), the minister of Defence Purchases on the recommendation of Mohanlal (Shafi Inamdar), his father's friend.Amar meanwhile also falls in love with Sushma,daughter of Mohanlal.On meeting Colonel Zaidi (Nana Patekar) Amar learns that he was purposedly shifted to DELHI so that he can unviel a mystery. In a few days Jagrattan gets killed but he does give a clue to Amar before his death. Thereafter the story is all about how Amar gets the culprit exposed. Most of the movies of Ashok kumar,Pran etc from the decade 1930-1960--for them refernce from online isnt available so what can be done?Shrik88music (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)Shrik[reply]
Keep as per Sodabottle. KuwarOnline ^Talk 17:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that Sodabottle has weighed in. His argument toward a reasonable presumption of the existance of hardcopy pre-internet sources is sensible... and his observation that the event ocurred in 1987 and Indian newspapers did not begin going online until 2000 is convincing. A notability in India, even pre-internet, is fine for en.Wikipedia... and the article remainng and being improved as possible through regular editing serves the betterment of the project. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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