Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avatar (Ultima) (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Ultima characters#The Avatar. ✗plicit 05:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Avatar (Ultima)[edit]

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While there is some reception for the origin of the term avatar as a concept in gaming, I'm going to argue that reception pertains more to the Ultima series and gaming tropes it established rather than to this character itself. As a character, the Avatar is barely one, and the reception reflects that. There's just no meat on this bone. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to List of Ultima characters#The Avatar. As stated by the nom, the importance of the avatar in a gameplay context is more about the game than the character itself, who does not pass GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Ultima characters#The Avatar where this is already covered. There isn't WP:SIGCOV for this topic outside of the game itself, and it makes more sense to cover this in a wider context. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect I noticed you raised the previous deletion discussion in 2009. How time flies! I think the crux of it is that the Avatar is not a notable character in itself, the character is largely faceless and anonymous, what is being construed as 'The Avatar' is the embodiment of the virtues that form part of the narrative and gameplay. This is reflected by the sources really coming to struggle to say anything about the character without leaning on the broader concepts of the game and the player's input. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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