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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Ice hockey in Australia. MBisanz talk 21:04, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Junior Ice Hockey League[edit]

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fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. this is an under 20 competition for ice hockey which is amateur and has very low following in Australia. reflected by nothing in gnews or trove. LibStar (talk) 05:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment no extensive third party coverage, fails WP:GNG, that is the main claim for deletion, the one source provided is far from reliable. note none of the keep votes provide any evidence of significant coverage. I'll happily withdraw if people can provide significant coverage in multiple recognised news sources. it's not even a national league, just 2 states represented. LibStar (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: The GNG wasn't any sort of claim for deletion you proposed, two days before. That being said, your claim that a league can't be national if only two states are represented demonstrates ignorance of Australia, a sparsely populated, heavily urbanized country with more than a third of its population resident in the two cities in question, and which only has six states. (By that token, do you think the National Hockey League is not "national," given that its American teams only cover 17 of the United States' 50 states, a lower percentage than this league does? Ravenswing 06:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

national hockey league gets lots of coverage. [1] you have failed to provide any sources for this non notable competition. LibStar (talk) 07:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 00:29, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is a national sports league. Article is fully sourced by third party sources. Salavat (talk) 10:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
its not even national, only 2 states are represented. only one source is used which is a blog made up of volunteer contributors . LibStar (talk) 10:22, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless that Hewitt Sports Network is a blog setup run by volunteers it still gives the best coverage of the three national leagues in Australia (men's, women's and junior)and is accurate and riable in its coverage. Also the fact that only two states are represented does not stop the league from being the national league as argued in Ravenswing's comment. Salavat (talk) 05:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide actual significant coverage not just one blog. Still waiting... LibStar (talk) 07:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per Salavat. It's a new league, more sources will come as the league gains exposure. DMighton (talk) 11:08, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
being a new league is not a criterion for notability. LibStar (talk) 20:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CRYSTAL. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The nom has failed to proffer a valid ground for deletion. A sports league does not become non-notable because it is about hockey, represents amateur competition, is U-20, or is situated in Australia. It's also not unreasonable that a league established a bare two months ago has not - yet - established a sizeable following, which in any event is likewise not a valid ground to delete. How the article fails WP:SPORTSEVENT - when that criterion doesn't remotely apply to the subject - I have no idea, and perhaps the nom could explain his reasoning, given that SPORTSEVENT refers to single games or short series between two teams. Ravenswing 23:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep appears to be notable to me. -DJSasso (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITSNOTABLE is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources WP:GNG. Just being"national" does not make something notable. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment whilst article improvement is always welcomed, the sources added do not establish notability:
    • [2] which is published by hockey fansOn the Fly Hockey sees itself as a hockey site for the fans, by the fans.On the Fly Hockey was born in late 2010 as a personal Australian ice hockey blog for Founder Andrew Macdougall thus primary source.
    • [3] which purely a games result by a primary source and says nothing about the junior league as it refers only to the senior team.
      • The pointstreak references there are solely used to reference the arena's the teams play in. References are for both junior teams and have nothing to do with the senior team. Salavat (talk) 00:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • [4] is a blog and not a strong source as per WP:SPS.

LibStar (talk) 23:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley (public) talk 00:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Being an Aussie, for a "national" competition to only get 4 teams, in just two cities, even for what is a minority sport here, really hardly counts for a league. I checked the Australia National Ice Hockey Wikipedia page, and there is nothing on that that refers to this league. The references are not notable. Possibly this could be a mention on the main Ice Hockey's page, and then get its own page when proper references become available??. Despite all this, it *is* an official league sanctioned by Ice_Hockey_Australia, according to their website http://www.iha.org.au/view/iha/news-story-archives/news_57760 (thought there is little else on the site about it). Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is unlikely going to be a mention on the seniors leagues page (apart from maybe a see also section) as they are seperate leagues operated by different bodies. Salavat (talk) 11:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
yes, the correct name should be Melbourne Sydney under 20 amateur ice hockey league. LibStar (talk) 08:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, or the East Coast Under 20 amateur Ice Hockey League or something? IHA have both separate Junior and Youth teams (competitions), so yes it is a bit confusing.Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The correct name is Australian Junior Ice Hockey League. It is not a made up name for the league as your comments seem to be suggesting. The seperate Junior and Youth competitions you mention are State represented tournaments held once a year, they are not leagues like the AJIHL. Salavat (talk) 11:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Perhaps a merge and redirect to Ice Hockey Australia would be beneficial here. If the league stands the test of time and gains some better coverage, it can be broken back out as a stand-alone in the future. The season article for 2012-13, on the other hand... Resolute 15:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Ice hockey in Australia. The league, as of right now, does not quite meet the level of significant coverage that I'd like to see, especially for a stand alone article where reasonable merge targets exist. Besides a few brief formation notices there really is nothing that qualifies as anything but passing or routine coverage. However, as the national junior league it does have some inherent notability, but that inherent notability is not enough to justify its own page at the this point in time. Also agree that the season article is overkill to the extreme. If we can't agree on the notability of the league, surely the season itself can't be notable. Ravendrop 21:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Ice hockey in Australia per the above. There's nothing to demonstrate that this new amateur sporting competition is notable, and ice hockey is a seriously obscure sport in Australia so it's not safe to assume that significant coverage in independent sources with be forthcoming anytime soon. Nick-D (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • (as a further comments, the articles on the teams(!) should be redirected to Ice hockey in Australia as they're no way that they're going to be notable) Nick-D (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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