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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was move to Draft:Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Some people directly suggested this, others went for keeping, others thought the NFOOTY requirements cause more harm than good and need re-evaluating. In all cases, a move to draft preserves the content while also satisfying concerns about minimal quality / notability requirements for biographies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley Maynard-Brewer[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. The EFL Cup match against Swansea U-21 is not a match between two fully professional teams. Simione001 (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Fair nomination given the failure of NFOOTY, but enough out there for GNG in my opinion: [1], [2], [3] - WP:THREE. Decent amount of sustained coverage regarding usually routine news, given they are just 20, e.g. [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. R96Skinner (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify just a bit too soon and much of the coverage presented is routine - applying the ten-year test WP:10YT, if his football career ended today, we wouldn't have an article on him in ten years. SportingFlyer T·C 02:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • SKennedy157 He has played a professional game for Charlton Athletic See match report here.Report He therefore qualifies for a page as he is likely to go out on loan to other professional and semi-professional clubs in the future gaining further football experience. Seems pointless to remove a page that is likely to be remade in the future.
  • SKennedy157 While it was an U21 team it has counted in all players official first team stats for those who have played in the EFL Trophy and has been included as a first team start in official records. See Soccerbase link here [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.140.14 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • SKennedy157 Also the EFL Trophy - despite allowing U21 teams to play in it - is a fully professional competition in the English Football League system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.140.14 (talk • contribs)
  • That's fine and true, but we require as part of WP:NFOOTBALL a showing that a player played in a game between two fully professional teams. Swansea U21 are not fully professional, sorry. Also, it's helpful if you sign your posts instead of bolding your user name - you can do this by typing the ~ character four times after your post. SportingFlyer T·C 12:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - doesn't meet NFOOTBALL and not quite convinced by GNG (yet). Draftifying allows article improvement/expansion for it to be notable and moved back in due course. GiantSnowman 09:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it is time to end the absurdity of making people notable from playing in one match.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports), then. An individual AfD isn't the place to vent your dislike for current consensus/guidelines et al, as you know. If you feel this article should be deleted per GNG, then cool, but NFOOTY itself cannot be questioned as this article does pass it. R96Skinner (talk) 13:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • No it doesn't, that's the very reason why the article was brought to AfD in the first place. The player has not played in a fully pro game therefore he doesn't meet NFOOTY and that's why the article was nominated for deletion! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • Apologies! I was looking at a few AfDs, got my wires crossed... not sure why John is mentioning the one game then. Quick spot that, ChrisTheDude! Thanks. :) R96Skinner (talk) 13:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@R96Skinner, ChrisTheDude, and Johnpacklambert: - pursuant to the above, I have initiated discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Proposal: Scrap the "one appearance" rule in favor of two mundane appearances or one unusual/remarkable appearance. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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