Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asa Seeley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to West Baltimore (MARC station). MBisanz ^talk 02:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asa Seeley[edit]

Man with gun arrested; news articles don't even mention assassination. Minor news item for the day, no lasting coverage, fails WP:BIO1E, WP:NOTNEWS. Only an incidental relation to West Baltimore (MARC station), so merge is not appropriate. Contested prod. Jfire (talk) 21:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect: I know nom says merge is inappropriate. But the West Baltimore (MARC station) article already contains the info, thereby making a change to a redirect as the right thing to do. I had created this title only as a redirect on that day, but someone later changed this into an article of its own. Though over time importance seems little, on the day of the incident, this was the main news, and was described on the televised news as a "presidential assassination attempt," giving it the perceived importance as a major event. Sebwite (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But with the passage of time, it became clear that this was simply a man with a gun who got arrested. There was no assassination plot, there was no "proclamation" as West Baltimore (MARC station) currently claims without source (a WP:BLP violation). It was just an arrest which happened to occur at the station. Arrests happen every day in thousands of locations; we don't mention every one in the articles on their locations. Jfire (talk) 22:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you watched the televised local news that day (which I did), they portrayed it as an assassination attempt. They also described that trains on the line were stopped as a result of this incident, and interviewed the cab driver involved and other witnesses who stood on the platform and called 911. Sebwite (talk) 22:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete See policy WP:NOT#NEWS and essay WP:NOTNEWS. Also fails to establish notability per WP:BIO and [[WP:N}]. We do not create an encyclopedia article everytime someone is arrested in possession of a gun. Edison (talk) 23:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, as you notice, I support reverting to the redirect I originally created this as for that reason. Sebwite (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 00:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect to West Baltimore (MARC station). This is where the event involving him occurred, and really the only suitable article. While this is a single event involving the subject, it received widespread televised news coverage on the day it occurred, as it was considered to be a possible assassination plot, and trains were stopped as a result. Also note that this title was originally created only as a redirect to West Baltimore (MARC station). My original intent was to keep it that way unless a fair amount of more information came in the media, and that never occurred. Sebwite (talk) 02:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note this user already !voted merge/redirect with a similar rationale above. Jfire (talk) 02:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All possible assassination attempts of heads of state are notable. NOT NEWS does not mean that no current news item can be included; this will be part of the historical record, which is part of the general reasons for inclusion.DGG (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was not an assassination attempt. Please review the sources. None of the news reports cited claim it was an assassination attempt, and if there were any that did on the day of the event (I can't actually find any online), they were quite simply mistaken. This was just a random arrest of a guy with a gun; it will never be a meaningful part of the historical record. Jfire (talk) 08:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't say it was, said "possible" . Actually reading the main source, it reports that he said he intended to kill the president. Yes, it also says that " the incident was not perceived as a serious threat to the president's security" [1] DGG (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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