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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. What a strange AfD, started by someone who wanted to keep. Almost certainly doesn't meet WP:PROF, but nevertheless, there is no clear consensus on whether the sources provided are sufficient to meet the GNG. GedUK  13:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aryeh Nusbacher[edit]

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Keep. The subject is clearly notable as a known military expert and adviser/commentator in various tv programs (documentaries, Time Commanders,...). The sex (change) of a person is a fundamental part of who they are and must be included in it if a source can be attributed to it. -- fdewaele, 28 October 2010, 20:16.

Comment/Question: User:fdewaele's contribution above with his vote seems to be counted as a delete by the Afd statistics caclulator. Can anyone change this in some way? I have asked and looked elsewhere for more info. on this caclulator but to no avail. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
I've changed "Oppose deletion" to "Keep" in the sake of clarification, so the count is currently 4-3 in favor of keeping the article -- fdewaele, 25 November 2010, 11:35 (CET).
  • The article contains nothing properly documented apart from bibliography. Wikipedia is not a tabloid and repeating tabloid gossip is not biography. NetNus (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 01:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 01:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A widely cited expert on military and defense issues meets the standard of notability. Article needs expansion with additional available reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not notable as an academic: a PhD thesis, one published article, a children's book (200 worldcat holdings), & one non-academic book (82 worldcat holdings) do not make an authority in the subject; Neither does being used as a source for news interviews. Not notable as an author: ditto. The only review in GNews archive is just a note. And I do not consider her enough of a public figure for the personal information to meet BLP. DGG ( talk ) 22:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - (a) Topic seems to (marginally) have sufficient coverage in reliable independent sources to found an article and pass WP:GNG, and (b) procedural keep on the basis that the original nomination does not appear to cite a reason for deletion. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per DGG. --Crusio (talk) 08:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Notability evident from key role in many (all 24) episodes of a BBC prime time TV show Time Commanders (and other history programmes). Key role was one of the two experts on old military tactics and capabilities who introduced and then commented on the performance of the contestants. Now listed by Sandhurst as on secondment to UK Cabinet Offfice - itself a prominent position: Dr Lynette Nusbacher, Head, Strategic Horizons Unit, Joint Intelligence Organisation, Cabinet Office, UK (http://www.icsr.info/news/attachments/1241530063ITIFLYER.pdf )(Msrasnw (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
* Extra Sources for notability as TV personality on Time Commanders :UKGameshow:Time_Commanders at UKGameshows.com and Time_Commanders at IMDb at IMDb. Are these OK as souces to add to the article? On Youtube searching for Aryeh Nusbacher one can see many old episodes and verify that he has a really prominent role in the shows. (Msrasnw (talk) 12:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete, basically per DGG. Too little to show to demonstrate notability per WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR - few publications, no citability, no significant published reviews of the subject's writings, rather small library holdings - nothing else to hang one's hat on. I do not find the claims of notability as a news-commentator/media personality on the topics of military history convincing. A Googlenews search[1] shows just a few hits. Fails WP:BIO too. Nsk92 (talk) 11:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I am really failing to see how the evidence produced by the keep voters adds up to notability (particularly when we're getting youtube and imdb). There is no significant coverage of academic work, and the news coverage is far too thin to justify an article. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment My understanding is he is notable for his role on the TV show - Time Commanders - where he was employed as an expert from Sandhurst. If you have a look at Youtube (and I am not saying we use this is a reference) then his role in it is clear and this was a prime time TV show in the UK. I suppose we could add references to the shows directly (Msrasnw (talk) 11:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
If there aren't any sources meeting WP:RS that establish notability for this role, then assertions on notability are unconvincing. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Extra reference: Would this reference - The Guardian (2003) TV Guide, Thursday, Watch This, Aug 30, pg D86 - which has a blurb recommending Time Commanders -(Watch This) The Battle of Trebia, mentioning Dr Aryeh Nusbacher's (Senior Lecturer in War Studies at Sandhurst) role as an expert? - Or would citations directly to the BBC episodes help? (Msrasnw (talk) 21:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
If that's how deep you have to dig for references on this one, then I think that's quite telling in relation to notability. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure if this is really deep digging. I think Dr Nusbacher is noted because of his appearances on a prime time BBC2 TV series (rather than as an academic per se) - reviews of the TV programme or the programme itself would seem to me to be useful and appropriate sources to cite. But best wishes anyway (Msrasnw (talk) 20:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC))[reply]
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