Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artificial Peace

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Artificial Peace

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No third-party sources cited, no indication of meeting WP:BAND, apparent WP:COI in creation.  Sandstein  06:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, sources are all WP:Primary and evident WP:COI by creator, no significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources. Top Jim (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Top Jim (talk) 11:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Notes from the page creator:

Hello Sandstein and Top Jim,

You put this page up for consideration of deletion with the following notation:

No third-party sources cited, no indication of meeting WP:BAND, apparent WP:COI in creation. Sandstein 06:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Please understand that it is not a conflict of interest as I started this page after discovering that a previously existing Artificial Peace page had been entirely deleted by a vandal a few years ago. I clicked on the link to restart it with the intention of adding links to secondary sources. Since then I've cited several reliable sources and met the notability guidelines for music.

Artificial Peace:

1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.
2. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of whom are notable).
3. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles.
4. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Please let me know if you have any specific questions for me. I hope you will remove the consideration of deletion for this page.

Thank you for your help.

Hello,

I noticed last night that a previously existing Artificial Peace page had been deleted by a vandal a few years ago, and so I clicked on the link to restart it with the intention of adding links to secondary sources.

If you have any doubt as to the legitimacy of the band, please note that Artificial Peace is a Dischord Records recording artist and played with such well known bands as the Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag, D.O.A. and many others. Please remove the consideration for deletion tag on this page. Feel free to ask me any specific questions you have? Thank you for your help.

Hello again,

I've now cited various reliable sources and will continue to cite additional supporting information. Please let me know if you have specific questions.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.13.84 (talk) 02:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

And hello again,
Just noticed some editing on the Artificial Peace page by Katharineamy. She linked the name of Artificial Peace's guitar player to the Wikipedia page of a different guitar player with the same name. Same name, different guy. I have not changed Katharineamy's edits. I'll leave that up to you. Please let me know if you have any specific questions. And please remove the consideration for deletion on this page as it now has more source citations than many other Wikipedia pages. Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.13.84 (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

It was not deleted by a vandal. I'd like to ask you to remove that false claim. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The article has now been edited and sources have been added. But the inline sources are not reliable, except for the mention in American hardcore: a tribal history, which is one paragraph and therefore probably not extensive enough to confer notability. The extent of the coverage of the band in the bulleted list of sources is not clear. Also, the text still doesn't quite make clear how the band is notable. The nomination is therefore maintained.  Sandstein  14:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Page creator replies Friday Nov. 12, 2010 approx 11:15 am pacific time with an addition on Sunday, Nov. 14, 2010 at approx 2:10pm:

As far as satisfying requirements for notability criteria for musicians and ensembles,

• Artificial Peace was the first hardcore band from Bethesda, Maryland
• Brian Baker, the bass player for Minor Threat who later went on to play with Government Issue, Dag Nasty, Junkyard, and Bad Religion, called Artificial Peace, "absolutely a great forgotten band of that time." Mr. Baker is an expert on the subject and the quote was published in a book.
• While Ian MacKaye said of Artificial Peace, "their effect on the DC scene was significant and played a sure role in the evolution of the music." Mr. MacKaye, also an expert on the subject, makes quite clear the impact Artificial Peace had on this style of music.
• Members of Artificial Peace went on to form Marginal Man and join Government Issue. Two other well known bands from the Washington D.C. music scene and have Wikipedia pages.
• Pushead (Brian Schroeder) considered Artificial Peace worthy of his talents and time to create his highly stylized posters for the band. Pushead also created artwork for The Misfits and Metallica. Here's a link to see one of the posters Pushead made for Artificial Peace.
• In addition to the multiple Artificial Peace vinyl records released in the 1980s (and later reissued on CD), Dischord Records has just released the entire Artificial Peace 1981 sessions. Dischord, [one of the more famous independent labels (it says so on Wikipedia)] has demonstrated that the band has merit by now releasing this music after 29 years in the vault.

Only one of the many above facts is needed to satisfy the requirements for notability criteria for musicians and ensembles. Please remove the consideration for deletion flag from this page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.13.84 (talk) 19:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.