Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Lounsbery

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The result was keep. The article's subject is found to be notable. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 04:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Lounsbery[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON only one starring role in a recent show (High School Star Musical). No notable coverage in secondary independent sources. ANN articles only list him among cast announcement. Not listed in GamePlaza Haruka Voice Acting Database. No equivalent JA Wikipedia article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is listed in Game Plaza Haruka Voice Acting Database. He has an equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article. His roles in Buddy Complex and Haikyū!! are also notable credits. He also hosted his own radio show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 15:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding the right GPH article and linking JA Wikipedia article too. But, Haikyū role is a minor character and Buddy Complex is among ten other crew members that are pretty much supporting characters. Is there another show where he has a lead role? WP:ENT says "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article follows every basic rule for an biographical article about a Japanese voice actor or actress. May I suggest the option for this article to be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in Japanese, like fellow recently debuted voice actor Yuuma Uchida's page. I'll translate and update it regularly from the currently existed equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 12:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Uchida has two lead roles in two different anime series so she meets WP:ENT. Can you find that second major role for Lounsbery? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He starred as Sho Capital in Iji Moto Gattai Moji Bakeru Z, as Mars in Chō Jigen Henkei FrameRobo, as Rem in Kimi no Oudou. Those are all lead roles. He's also an actor and TV personality. He's among the main cast for the film Kami☆Voice as Christian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 07:08, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have brought most of the content from the equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article over here and added various independent sources. WP:ENT also says “Has a large fan base or a significant ‘cult’ following” and he has almost 30.000 followers on his Twitter account alone. Every reliable voice actor database has his entry and after a quick Google seach, you will see he’s well sought after, even more so in Japanese sites and articles. He has done multiple interviews, appeared in various popular voice actor magazines such as Voice Newtype and Seiyuu Junon. He's well recognisable in Japan as a voice actor and narrator. He may not be 'slam-dunk notable' to western community but I think there is certainly enough out there to warrant an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 03:02, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you rewrite the lead paragraph to summarize his most important roles? Also remove the notable_works from the infobox for now. The infobox roles are only for ones where he is strongly synonymous with his role as with Ikue Otani and Pikachu. Also please remove trivia such as favorite food, pets, disliking bugs, glasses. And that stuff in the biography section needs to be sourced. If it is made clear that he has been involved in more than two starring roles in anime then I can pass this as notable. Inazuma Eleven role is not starring. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The biography section is directly translated from the equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article, I did not make any of that up. I sourced it back to that section in the Japanese Wikipedia article but it got removed because another said Wikipedia is not a source for itself. And to source more directly, they are collected from various interview articles from famous Japanese voice actor magazines such as Voice Newtype and Seiyuu Junon. WP:ENT says 'Has had significant roles in other productions', 'significant' implies the importance of that role to the whole production, you can't discredit his role in Inazuma Eleven GO because he's a regular there as one of the main antagonists and appeared in 23/43 episodes. Also because significant roles in other productions count, I have already listed his other roles as Sho Capital in Iji Moto Gattai Moji Bakeru Z, as Mars in Chō Jigen Henkei FrameRobo, as Rem in Kimi no Oudou. And these are all lead roles. And I have also addressed the fact that WP:ENT also says “Has a large fan base or a significant ‘cult’ following” in the premise above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 17:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing my point. All that verbiage needs to be listed up front in the lead paragraph so readers can instantly identify why this person should have an article, not relegated to the filmography list where you're not supposed to bold major roles anyway and where it just gets buried. If he's a regular in Inazuma Eleven GO then describe that up front. Same with those other Japanese-only titles. If he's got a huge fan base, then describe that up front and cite the appropriate articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:42, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As for Sho Capital in Iji Moto Gattai Moji Bakeru Z, as Mars in Chō Jigen Henkei FrameRobo, as Rem in Kimi no Oudou, please link each of those productions to the JA Wikipedia article to show notability. I cannot find an EN Wikipedia article for those three titles, so readers need to have a clue they are significant productions. They could be some random amateur web series on youtube or local direct-to-videos for all I know. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will sum it up: First, WP:ENT says “Has a large fan base or a significant ‘cult’ following”, this is the evidence. Second, WP:ENT says 'Has had significant roles in other productions', he's in Inazuma Eleven GO Galaxy as Ryugel Baran; Kimi no Oudou as Rem (1st coverage, 2nd coverage, 3rd coverage), Iji Moto Gattai Moji Bakeru Z as Sho Capital, Chō Jigen Henkei FrameRobo as Mars (these are web series made by Bandai, posted on their official youtube channel, targeting towards younger audience does not mean 'random amateur' as you call it). About not suppose to bold major roles, that's because I follow the example set by the Japanese Wikipedia article, if that's not allowed for English article, then I'll correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 07:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I meant in the article itself not this AFD. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the lead paragraph for his biography and fixed the page’s presentation as per standard rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 07:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete at best and Draft and Userfy at best because although AlexisTruehart mentions above that his works are notable enough, this article has not yet been better improved since the current article is quite certainly of concern, with none of it seeming like an actual Wikipedia article. SwisterTwister talk 06:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I tried my best and brought as much content from the equivalent Japanese Wikipedia article over as possible. I notice the majority of articles about a Japanese voice actor or actress are considered sufficient with their list of roles. That's what this article was originally about. But since AngusWOOF demanded more information about him, I translated most of the content from the original Japanese Wikipedia article, and left a note about it for credit and accuracy purpose. I did not make any of that up. If as you said I have proved his notability, I will remove anything that's not considered proper for a Wikipedia article. I'm sure his filmography is detailed enough, as other famous voice actor or actress's articles only list them as such, like Tomoaki Maeno,Kazuyuki Okitsu, Wataru Hatano. Nobuhiko Okamoto's article does have trivia about his personal life. Recently debuted voice actors Yuuma Uchida and Kōtarō Nishiyama's articles are about as detailed as this article. Again, If my proofs are considered sufficient for his notability, I will remove anything that's not considered proper for a Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisTruehart (talk • contribs) 07:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually most of the articles you have mentioned are stub level and still require a lead paragraph at the top of the article (not just the biography section) to show notability. Please see Mamoru Miyano and Aki Toyosaki for examples that show a lead paragraph. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as notable voice artist, references seem to have been improved and he seems to have had an extensive career.Atlantic306 (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see that references have been added, my opinion would be to keep this for now. A post AfD iscussion can always be held at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga regarding the matter as well. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:N and WP:GNG and after references were added in, article should be kept. MrWooHoo (talk) 01:59, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.