Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armorial of presidents of France

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The result was delete. Sandstein 22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Armorial of presidents of France[edit]

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No evidence of any notability for this intersection of characteristics; the presidents are not defined by their armorial, the armorial is not a part of the presidency, and the intersection hasn't been the subject of reliable, independent, indepth sources. Fram (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of personal coats of arms of Presidents of Italy, this is heavily original research with little indication that these were actually used by these individuals in either personal or official capacity. Reywas92^Talk 09:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unsourced. DrKay (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree that this isn't politically notable, but it is relevant in terms of heraldry, history and presidential symbols. - Ssolbergj (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "Relevant" for what? They aren't presidential symbols, they are personal symbols (if they are even correct). It's not more relevant than their star signs, blood types or favourite music. Fram (talk) 08:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hi. They are relevant in terms of heraldry and French history. Information on heraldic emblems and other types of symbols of notable and powerful figures of state are commonplace in encyclopedias. E.g. Seal of the President of the United States. To have dedicated articles on presidents' favourite meals or star signs is not, so I don't consider this comparison to be particularly relevant. - Ssolbergj (talk) 17:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - The current website of the Elysee mention's Giscard d'Estaing's emblem for example. The presidents of France follow the previous kings of France as head of state. And royal arms are particularly important in European history, so this article really isn't far-fetched IMO. - Ssolbergj (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - You seem to have the article confused with National emblem of France. DrKay (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - No, I'm aware that a president's arms is not an arms of dominion. Both royal arms and a president's arms represent the head of state, however. This is Giscard d'Estaing's arms, which is slightly different from the national emblem. This is also reflected in his standard. - Ssolbergj (talk) 23:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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