Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arlie Honeycutt

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The result was redirect to Miss North Carolina. (non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 08:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arlie Honeycutt[edit]

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Honeycutt is really only noted for winning Miss North Carolina. While this is part of the Miss America system,. which is more notable and watched that the Miss USA system, being older dating to before WWII while Miss USA was started in the 1950s by a swimsuit company mad that Miss America decided to no longer allow contestants to wear bikinis during the swimsuit portion of the competition, the state winners are still not individually notable. Her various musical performances and work to start a scholarship are just not enough to make her notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article was also created by a user using the user name Arlie Honeycutt.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Miss North Carolina where the subject is mentioned. Otherwise, Ms Honeycutt is not individually notable, as my searches do not bring up anything substantial. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If found to not be independently notable, redirect to Miss North Carolina as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary (talk) 05:04, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She was crowned Miss North Carolina 2012. Other sate winners of the Miss America pageant have Wikipedia articles. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now - As NewYorkActuary has said, no harm would be done by leaving this as a "keep" until the notability guidelines for beauty pageants is settled. So far most of the coverage I've found about her is debatably trivial. She's made several appearances and guest performances for events, which earn brief mentions in sources. (examples:[1][2]) There are non-trivial sources on her from the local media, though most of these have to do with her selection as Miss NC and competing in the national contest. (examples: [3][4][5][6]). Still, several sources do cover her outside of the competition, attributing it as her source of fame but focusing on other aspects about her. (examples: [7][8]) - Indy beetle (talk) 23:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Indy beetle: The discussion is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with some advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; and (2) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@K.e.coffman Thank you for the clarification. Taking that into consideration, I'll move for a Redirect. Though I can't rule it all out, I don't think I've found enough info to establish general notability independent of the Miss North Carolina Pageant. Anyone else may feel free to follow up on what I've found so far, but I don't think there's much more here. Indy beetle (talk) 21:39, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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