Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archbishop Alexy

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Okay, this is a though close and it is going to need a big explanation. I am closing this as delete. Although this discussion has four keep votes and 2 delete votes (yes, I know AFD is not a vote), all keep votes but one used the same argument: "length is not a reason to delete". However, when an article is taken to AFD, the notability of its subject must be evaluated regardless of what the nominator said. This means that keep votes must present evidence that the subject is notable, and this was not the case here. I saw some interesting comments by Mz7 and Necrothesp, but I conclude that they might have abstained from going with a formal suggestion because they were unsure about the subject's notability. Opposite to that, the two delete votes made the compelling argument that sources to verify notability didn't exist outside of primary sources, which are excluded from GNG. Therefore, my conclusion after two reslistings is that the subject does not meet notability, given that the opposite was not proven. If any editor disagrees with the close, feel free to discuss it at WP:DRV → Call me Hahc21 05:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Archbishop Alexy[edit]

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The article is too short. The article contains olny one external link and this link leads to site of his church. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 15:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have reformatted this nomination using Template:Afd2. Mz7 (talk) 19:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not entirely familiar with Christianity, but if a person is granted the title "Archbishop", would that be considered a "well-known and significant honor" per WP:ANYBIO? Also, notability depends on the availability of sources, not on the sources which have been included in the article. The length of an article is also not a valid reason to delete it. Mz7 (talk) 19:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep An article being too short is an argument for expanding it, not deleting it.TheLongTone (talk) 20:17, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have sought for more sources, but I can't find any mention outside of the Church he is part of. While Archbishop is a major title, the Church he belongs to seems to be fairly small. So, this seems a case of grand titles for small organizations.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep An article being too short is an argument for expanding it, not deleting it. There is nothing wrong with an external link to his church. In fact, one would expect such a thing.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, → Call me Hahc21 18:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Note that while he holds the title of archbishop, he is head of a small church which is not recognised by other Orthodox churches. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As Metropolitan he is head of a Russian Orthodox Church denomination, albeit a splinter group. This is certainly enough to make him notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article has been on here since 2006WikiOriginal-9 (talk)
Delete. 1) No reliable sources in the article. 2) This "Russian Orthodox Church denomination" is not Russian Orthodox Church denomination. It is a separate small non-notable group which just uses this name and adds word "true". There are many such small and true or very true churches. Debi07 (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Could use expansion, but length shouldn't be a reason for deletion. Could potentially be merged with Russian True Orthodox Church though. Adamh4 (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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