Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arbaaz Khan (Pakistani actor) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The one keep vote that presents a cogent argument (by Atlantic306) is undercut by the contention that those eight movies may well not be notable. The deletes have it. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arbaaz Khan (Pakistani actor)[edit]

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This article was already AfD deleted. This new recreated version is somewhat different from the deleted version. Some "sources" are added, by I still think the notability is not established. I see no reliable indepndent sources with significant coverage. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep think he passes criteria 1 of WP:NACTOR as has had many leading or prominent roles in the 112 films he has appeared in, he also has directed 12 films. At least eight of the films can be considered as notable because they have wikipedia articles(which is the easiest way to define notable films rather than a subjective judgement.).Most of the references seem reliable including rs press coverageAtlantic306 (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked those eight film articles, and none of them meet WP:NFILM in their current state. There's also nothing to suggest that Khan's roles in any of them were "significant" - all I'm seeing his Khan's name somewhere in the (user-submitted) IMDb cast list, and mentioned in "cast includes" on the source for Saya e Khuda e Zuljalal. (Sockmaster User:Nouman khan sherani has a history of giving Khan top billing when adding his name to film articles, with no sources.) --McGeddon (talk) 10:04, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This was reference 4 before the webpage was taken over or moved by a different site and it shows his prominent roles in many films here Atlantic306 (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems notable, according to important roles in nation wide distributed films. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0451170/ --Kafkasmurat (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the same guy! That's Arbaaz Khan (Indian actor), who is notable. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While searching for arbaaz khan pakistani actor at Google.com.pk, the Pakistani edition of google, I found plenty of coverage in English language. It looks like he is an eminent actor of Pashto language movies. Keeping WP:WORLDVIEW in my mind, I guess, the subject passes at WP:NACTOR. Hitro talk 18:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This started life as an undisguised autobiography but enough other people have worked on it that this does not in itself condemn the article. Despite this it still has serious, I believe fatal, problems. It has a lot of content that seems to be referenced on a first glance but several of the references do not stand scrutiny. For example it is claimed "He has also directed 12 films." supported by refs 4,5 and 6. When you look at those:

Ref 4: mazhar.dk seems to be something like a Twitter feed or other automatically generated, non-RS stuff. (Its strapline is "An informative website" which seems to be debatable. ;-) )
Ref 5: IMDB only lists one director credit.
Ref 6: This is the Times Of India, which is a good RS source. Maybe this will redeem it? Nope. All that "reference" is is a canned query to their search engine. It sure as heck isn't a link to any specific article of theirs backing up the claim that he has directed 12 films.

None of these three references seem to support the claim made. So we have a serious lack of verifiability here! Another concern is that some of the reference material is far too similar to some of the material in the article (the worst being [1]) so there is a copyvio concern here too. But he has won a load of notable awards, right? Who knows? They sure as heck are not referenced in the article... So, I'm not feeling like giving this any benefit of the doubt. Reference the awards properly and make sure that the references are all RS and actually support the claims made then I'll reconsider. Until then WP:V seems to doom this as much as WP:N. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This was reference 4 before the webpage was taken over or moved by a different website,here this page was the source for his 112 film roles many of them prominent, and his director credits here click the tab for director credits Atlantic306 (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That explains that mystery. I don't think that this archived reference material is/was RS but at least it shows that it was on-topic when it was added and thus alleviates my fear that blatant junk references were added to spuriously bulk up the sourcing. --DanielRigal (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in the absence of a single secondary source to suggest that Khan meets WP:NACTOR: there's currently no suggestion that any of the films he has been appeared in or directed meet WP:NFILM (their articles all either redlinks or flagged as needing sources to confirm notability), and as an actor it's unclear what his role in any of them actually was, just that (fan site? user-submitted database?) mazhar.dk often lists him among the first six names. The awards section seems promising but I can't find any sources that confirm them - just fan copies of awards lists that appear to suggest that other actors won those awards in the years listed. --McGeddon (talk) 20:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete notability not established, most articles on this subject on other wikis are machine translation spam created by User:مستان خان. --Nazeer (talk) 16:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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