Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AppMaster (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AppMaster[edit]

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This small company, founded in 2019, does not have significant coverage. For instance when searching for AppMaster+"Oleg Sotnikov" (founder) there are only 25 results, and none of them are reliable independent sources with in depth coverage. Pikavoom ^Talk 09:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Just wanted to note.

I do not know the person who tried to edit my article. I can just guess since we published to our twitter that we made an article for wikipedia that someone got in to disrupt our content.

I am all for honest and open peer review.

And please do not call it spam! We'll work on the notability and make the article meet the WP:NCORP criteria

Maybe you can point out the things that I can work on to make it stay on Wikipedia with certain alerts on improvement at the beginning of the article. In any case, we as a team are all for transparency and those disrupting are definitely not from AppMaster Borntobeanna (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I would like to move the article into draftspace to work on the notability, can I do it now or should I wait until the deletion discussion is over? Im assuming the article is going to be deleted so I would like a chance to keep working on it Borntobeanna (talk) 17:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Software, and California. Pikavoom ^Talk 09:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.google.com/search?q=AppMaster+%22Oleg+Sotnikov%22&biw=1440&bih=740&ei=pg1pYvnUK4Ogjgaw4orIAQ&ved=0ahUKEwj5v7Tk97P3AhUDkMMKHTCxAhkQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=AppMaster+%22Oleg+Sotnikov%22&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EANKBAhBGAFKBAhGGABQtgNYtgNgtwZoAXAAeACAAeMBiAHjAZIBAzItMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

~~oppose/keep I get over 300 results for this search from sources such as Crunchbase and stuff. Seems legit Hello alu (talk) 09:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)~~[reply]

and btw

It says 2nd AfD - but the 1st one was for a totally different product and in 2014, as I see

~~Is there a way one can update this part on any article, do you know? I'm just wondering Hello alu (talk) 09:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC) — Hello alu (talk~~ • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Google displays 336 results supposedly, but only three pages. If you click on the link to page 3, you'll see the result end at 25. None of those results, including Crunchbase, do not satisfy sourcing requirements for companies. Pikavoom ^Talk 10:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Number of Google hits is not a measure for notability, but even if it was, ~300 hits is a ridiculously low number for a notable software product. MarioGom (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not so much change from last afd. The article looks an advertisement and it lacks significant coverage. MickyShy (talk) 10:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not so much change from last afd. - not true. The last AfD was 2014 and it was a different company. This one was created in 2019. AppMaster was evaluated at $35M and most of the companies on this page No-code development platform have the same size and mention rate in the media Borntobeanna (talk) 10:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC) — Borntobeanna (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

another point - WP:CORP states "An extensive how-to guide written by people wholly independent of the company or product" as "Examples of substantial coverage". AppMaster has one at zerocoder Borntobeanna (talk) 10:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC) — Borntobeanna (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Those do not satisfy the sourcing requirements for companies. Closer note that Borntobeanna has a declared COI on AppMaster and is ineligible to vote. 13:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Comment AppMaster was moved, leaving a redirect to a page which was then deleted. I retargeted it from the redlink to AppMaster.io which I have nominated for deletion. Please feel free to merge my nomination with this one (i.e. bin it). And it's moved again while I was writing this, so please check the latest web of redirects before !voting. Certes (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I checked - now all is in place. There's someone messing with the article as I am trying to edit it and bring more reliable sources in Borntobeanna (talk) 14:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article is back at AppMaster, with a similar article at Draft:AppMaster.io. Certes (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I am rooting for just giving the chance to edit the article. How is it different from this one for example Buildbox? Anton rumyan (talk) 14:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC) — Anton rumyan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete Searches on GNews turned up nothing (Significant coverage from RS) for "AppMaster". Fails WP:NCORP. Fabiobengario (talk) 15:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This is spam of a product that does not meet WP:NCORP. And it's disruptive. See AppMaster.io. MarioGom (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, so much of disruption and promotion, another similar article is also at AfD. Just delete and salt. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 18:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - I'm going to Assume Good Faith that Borntobeanna wants the article to meet notability guidelines, but the place to bring it to that standard is not in mainspace. casualdejekyll 20:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Checkuser note: Three of the accounts commenting above - Borntobeanna, Hello alu and Anton rumyan - are confirmed to one another, and all are now blocked. I have struck the comments left by the sock accounts. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or put back into user space, since it is "too soon" for this to meet notability. Either ten years or an IPO, orother news first. This is not the place to promote your app. 23:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Internet, and Software. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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