Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aozora

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all. - Bobet 15:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aozora[edit]

This is a multiple nomination, in addition to the webcomic in question the following are also nominated:

J.L. Brown - the artist
Aozora:Another Blue Sky - webcomic chapter/sequel

The current incarnation of the webcomic Aozora, is the Another Blue Sky story arc, and that, along with the other chapters of this furry webcomic can be seen here at 2wconline, which also hosts a few other things. It can't be that popular though, because there's no Alexa rank for the entire site, and the forums have only picked up 50 members since they opened in March. Googling Aozora "Another Blue Sky" brings up 20 unique results, googling an earlier chapter Aozora "Into Imagination" brings up 50 unique links. None of these are from reliable sources, none of the articles contain any either, the only assertion of notability (found in all 3 articles) is that the author has been a guest at some East Coast furry convention. None of these are notable. - Hahnch e n 00:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This may be relevent to the discussion - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aozora: Another Blue Sky - Hahnch e n 00:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all; non-notable webcomic with no Alexa ranking, few members, and even fewer Google results. Possibly speedily delete Aozora: Another Blue Sky, if it's an identical copy to the previously deleted article.--TBCTaLk?!? 01:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain for now, at least on the J.L. Brown article. Admittedly, it does look like a bit of an open-and-shut case, but the line "has spoken as a guest at several conventions on the East Coast" gives me pause. It would seem to me that being selected to speak at conventions means she's pretty well known within her genre of art at least. I was at AMA 2006, and it was by no means a small event, with 3000+ people in attendence. That said, I'm not certain whether the article could be improved so as to meet WP:BIO, but the issue is perhaps not quite as clear-cut as it may seem. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, is there any verification of her speaking at notable conventions? I found a source stating that she has spoken at Nekocon, but not a lot else.--TBCTaLk?!? 03:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All they don't meet our content policies, as they are unverifiable through reliable sources and wikipedia is not an internet guide. -- Dragonfiend 18:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. Dragonfiend 18:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC) [reply]
Delete as non-notable. Akradecki 20:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete as is actually based on fact. an example of proof can be found in the Hartford Courant - Hartford, Conn. Author: JEFFREY B. COHEN Date: Jul 9, 2006, Quoted J.L.Brown directly, and mentioned her talk about her comic, even published the webpage in the convention article. *http://www.ctconventions.com/Articles/newsView.asp?NewsID=51
She appeared as a Judge and guest at Katsucon 2005, Was a guest at Anime Mid-atlantic, Was a guest at Neko-con, CNU con, and several other convetions along with the web page members of 2wconline. Currently she is employed by the Walt Disney company through Cirqu du’soliel: La Nouba. She was Published in the Natural Awakening Local magazine in Orlando Florida February 2005.

http://www.nekocon.org/guests.php

http://www.gamergirlx.com/cnucon/guests.html

http://www.animemidatlantic.com/ama6/guests.html

…and many more.

Comment - I had actually done some more research into the topic than the nomination mentioned, it being long enough already. One of the things I tried, was to Google her latest comic "Psycho Dreamatic", and you'll see there the lack of links generated. Being a guest at a fan-gathering or convention isn't notable, the first article you linked also talked about Comedity, yet that webcomic that was deleted for similar reasons. Just as I think many of the speakers at Star-Trek, Furry and High schools aren't notable, I don't think JL Brown is. - Hahnch e n 02:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - No reliable sources, not verifiable, doesn't meet WP:WEB. Wickethewok 18:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete - Please do not delete these articles. J.L. Brown has spoken at several conventions as a guest and panelist on the subjects of web comics and animation. The web comics Aozora and Psycho Dreamatic are active and available on the 2wcOnline web site. angrypaladin 20:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete - I do not understand what relevance having an Alexa rank or the fact that you don't get 20+ pages from a google search has to the need to delete an article that is obviously an informed resource about the subject. A simple check of the referenced 2wconline.net is all that's needed to verify the contents. Also, as stated before, J. L. Brown has spoken at many conventions recently on both subjects of Anthropomorphic fandom and Webcomic fandom. Despite the submitters personal feelings, being a speaker at a convention IS a notable accomplishment. Also, a quick check on the webcomics list shows that both comics are in the top 1000 (out of almost 7500) most read comics on the internet, no small feat.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.