Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aoi Ichikawa

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The result was delete. TOOSOON. Tone 17:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aoi Ichikawa[edit]

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Stub in JP wiki, definitely WP:TOOSOON. Subject has nothing substantial to write about, nor does he have enough siginificant roles. When will people learn that having well-referenced paragraphs is less likely gonna have their articles AFDed? Let's go ahead and write one liner stubs on every seiyu ever, shall we? Sk8erPrince (talk) 09:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Eita Izum is the main character of Just Because!. Seiya Takehaya is a main character of Tsurune. The voice actor passes the subject specific guideline for voice actors Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Entertainers "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Dream Focus 16:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the subject passes WP:ENT. Only 2 major roles? That's it? That's hardly notable. At least have 3. And even then, that doesn't mean notability is guaranteed. I'll give you Seiya, since Tsurune is a KyoAni anime, and their shows are notable. Just Because isn't that notable, by comparison. But even if you count both shows, that's hardly enough. What about WP:BASIC? How is this any different than a filmography dump? Isn't there anything to write about other than just that one line?

PS: JA wiki article is also a stub. The subject is clearly not encyclopedia worthy. Sk8erPrince (talk) 17:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple is defined as: consisting of, including, or involving more than one [1]. Two is more than one, that all it needs. And if the shows are notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, then they are notable enough to count. Notability has been established by them having their own Wikipedia articles. Dream Focus 17:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's a really low bar you're setting here. If 2 major roles is all it takes to secure their own article, then we wouldn't have that many AFDs for voice actors. I'm not seeing any news articles that feature the subject. There's simply nothing to write about other than that one line. This isn't a voice actor article; it's just a filmography dump pretending to be one. Sk8erPrince (talk) 18:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of AFDs for voice actors that end up kept for this reason, and its been like that for years. As long as they meet the requirement, their article is kept. And shortness of an article is never been a valid reason to delete the article. Dream Focus 19:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's wrong. WP:ENT is usually the **additional** criteria that helps the subject secure their own article, when the subject already meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Also, it's usually only valid when there's 3 or more main roles. For this subject, there are no reviews about their roles, nor are there any news articles. There's *nothing* to write about. Sk8erPrince (talk) 05:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Notability is quite clear. "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right;" One or the other, doesn't have to meet both. I have no idea why some people get that confused at times, but I've been in plenty of AFDs, and if it passes just the subject specific notability guideline then the article gets kept. And its valid if there are two or more, that's what multiple means as I said, so making up some arbitrary number and claiming the rules don't apply if you decide they shouldn't, doesn't really amount to anything. Dream Focus 15:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These are not "arbitrary" numbers. You say that only 2 main roles is enough merit for a voice actor to have their own article, but *nowhere* in the WP:ENT guideline can I see 2 as a minimum. I'd say it should be 3 or more because that's usually the case in VA AFDs. It's a consistent pattern. And even then, that does *not* guarantee inclusion.

Also, if you don't mind reading WP:WHYN: We require "significant coverage" in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic. If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list. From the same guideline: Because these requirements are based on major content policies, they apply to all articles, not solely articles justified under the general notability criteria. This is what I am talking about when it's regarding the fact that there is practically nothing to write about for this subject. So yes, the lack of material to write about the subject *does* matter. It's not something I've made up.

Quoting WP:BASIC: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. You say that the subject is presumed notable because he meets WP:ENT, but that is just a presumption, not a guarantee, which I will elaborate below.

I hate to break it to you, but WP:ENT is listed under additional criteria. See for yourself. Also, quoting "Additional criteria": People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. See? There is no guarantee, especially if the subject does not even meet WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. I've said my piece. I will now wait for other users to chime in. Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:22, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- Dream Focus 18:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, Assistant is the main male character in Magical Sempai, and Pele in Plunderer so that makes at least 3. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:43, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Plunderer is not out yet, and we still don't have anything to write about the subject. One liner stubs violate WP:WHYN as outlined above. It's one thing if there's actually *something* to write about to improve the article so that it's no longer a stub, but this is clearly not the case here, when the JA article is also a stub. Sk8erPrince (talk) 17:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Move to Draft~~Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Needs some featured articles about the person, not just cast listings. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my mind. This should be deleted. Someone who really wants to make a worthy article for the person can draft one from scratch that will have RS articles to significantly cover this person. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, draftify, or redirect I don't think it really matters which one. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources per WP:BASIC - Epinoia (talk) 21:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.