Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonino Isordia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The only "Speedy delete" argument was invalid, as the article presents a claim of importance/significance. The significant changes, as other contributors have noted, warrant a "keep" close for this discussion. (non-admin closure) Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Antonino Isordia[edit]

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Fails notability criteria to pass WP:BIO, due to lacking insufficent sources. An exact search on Google results in 4830 results, which quickly fall into social media. The last film by this director according to IMDB was in 2005, and his singular award according to es.wikipedia.org was in 2001. Looking at that last link, it appears that the articles on both the English and Spanish wikipedia's were written by the same author, and with no edits outside this person, I strongly suspect a self-bio Trident13 (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete This biography contains no references what-so-ever, and so therefore should be speedy deleted in my opinion. Wikipedian2 (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd support speedy, under an A7. Nominated as its been there for over a year. Rds, --Trident13 (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - The article contains an assertion of importance so speedy deletion A7 would be incorrect. If it was created a few weeks later then BLPprod would have applied as it was an unreferenced BLP. But unreferenced is a reason to reference an article as someone appears to now be doing, unreferenced is not and never has been a speedy deletion criteria. Ϣere SpielChequers 21:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that artistic output rate may be useful in adjudicating a person's notability. To cite some artistic and literary examples I note that at one time Pablo Picasso held a place in the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's most prolific artist. While no Picasso by the output metric William Shakespeare has managed to not have his wikipedia article deleted yet, and Harper Lee who wrote only a single novel in her artistic lifetime (that admitedly won a Pulitzer Prize and was turned into a blockbuster movie) has not yet managed to have her wikipedia article deleted either (thankfully, she is not dead yet). An absence of cited references would be a fairly good reason to add references to an article that needs them, but is usually not used as a lone basis for article deletion. As to the matter of self promotion I suspect you may be correct Trident13. I also suspect that User:Soyuntigrillo could have a mention of the policy against Wikipedia:Conflict of interest placed onto his or her talk page and either a {{COI}} or a {{Connected contributor}} placed onto the Talk:Antonino Isordia page. Regarding the deletability of the Antonino Isordia article I suspect that the person's page Antonino Isordia at IMDb is a typographical correction of the page at Antonio Isordia at IMDb, since "both" persons were born in Mexico City in 1973 and they "both" seemed to have worked on several of the same movies "together". In fact, one of the references now cited in the Antonino Isordia article mentions that the 2008 Los Niños Devoran Lobos film was directed by Antonino Isordia and not by "Antonio Isordia" as Los niños devoran lobos (2008) at IMDb mentions (sic). In that case I think IMDb is wrong, or in other words I think that IMDb needs to merge their now separate articles on Antonino Isordia and "Antonio Isordia". I note that Antonino Isordia has won awards for documentary film making in Mexico, Chile, and has had entries in film festivals in Spain. His career seems to span the Spanish speaking parts of North America, South America, and Europe and he has won awards for Documentary film making (something that is not easy to do once, much less repeat). MTV and UNICEF consider his 2008 film important enough to broadcast on across much of MTV Latin America and Tr3s. Isordia's accomplishments seem notable enough at this time, and he may go on to do other notable things, hence I think we should keep the article for now and endeavor to ensure that Antonino himself does not use either the es or the en wikipedias to promote his accomplishments to excess. 69.126.127.193 (talk) 19:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The article has undergone significant changes since being nominated. –Joshua Scott 02:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, seems notable to me, also per 127.193. Ϣere SpielChequers 21:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly there are now sufficient sources. (as is the case with most initially unsourced blps, where there is possible notability. It just takes doing the work to find them. DGG ( talk ) 03:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep... specially after the improvements. To address the nomination, with respects, WP:NOEFFORT is rarely a valid reason to delete, and actual editing has shown that rationale to be flawed. Further, that someone won an award in 2001 or has not made a film since 2005 is per WP:NTEMP also a flawed argument. Notability asserted, article improved, notability shown.[1] Time now to thank 69.126.127.193 and close as keep. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.