Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonina Roxa

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Antonina Roxa[edit]

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No notability demonstrated. A biographical encyclopedia of the Falkland Islands might well mention 50% of the islands inhabitants, past and present - but notability has still not been demonstrated. Brigade Piron (talk) 08:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep [1] Notability is easily demonstrated. [2] Mentioned in Falkland Islands' Government history brief, noted in most history books eg [3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8] and notable enough for numerous references in the official records [9]. The biographical encyclopedia is used for details, the notability was established by the numerous references to the individual in reliable sources and this article has been requested by WP:FALKLAND for years. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To add, I also find it rather sad that an article on one of the few notable women from this early period of Falkland's history is immediately nominated for deletion. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wee Curry Monster, please do not reduce this to some sort of gender bashing. I simply ask again, based on the content of the article, the nearest Ms. Roxa came to individual notability was being in a group of 14 people (the smallest number identified) - no evidence that she was the most important of this group, or any of the others mentioned in the article. All I can deduce is that you consider her notable (a) for being a woman, and (b) for being a Falkland islander, yet no individual importance has been demonstrated. Do you consider that people from the Falkland Islands (and other micro-regions) are somehow more notable than inhabitants of larger countries who do not make it into "national" biographical dictionaries?

In effect, all I am asking is what her "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record" is. Brigade Piron (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is your opinion, what you chose to "deduce" of course bears no relation to my comment on notability. The reason for notability has been demonstrated by the references to her in Falkland Island's historical record and the fact she is one of the key figures in early Falklands history. Notability has been demonstrated, your subjective judgement of the relevance of key figures who helped build a frontier settlement is a frankly irrelevant. People become notable because they are one of a small group of pioneers and they play a key role in the early developement; the settlement couldn't have survived without her skills as a Gaucho. Wee Curry Monster talk 22:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets the requirements for Wikipedia:Notability. Mugginsx (talk) 11:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The woman appears to be an important early settler. Michael Glass (talk) 12:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The woman appears to be an important early settler. The tale of creating a herd of cattle is an individual achievement although +1 as she was accepted as a gaucho. Victuallers (talk) 13:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Wee Curry Monster. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable. 16:03, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Intothat darkness
Keep — Roxa took part and contributed notably to the founding of the Falkland Islander community, and probably was the most remarkable of the early settlers. Besides the subject's notability, the article is very well written, researched and sourced, a valuable addition to the Falklands history articles. Apcbg (talk) 18:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the above. Topic meets WP:GNG/WP:BASIC and I don't believe any of the exclusions at WP:PEOPLE apply. Antonina Roxa was an important early settler who comes up again and again in the record of the history of the islands. Kahastok talk 20:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The biography not only fulfills WP:BASIC, but also shows through reliable sources that Roxa is notable for multiple events: he was the first registered American indigenous woman who came to settle in the Falklands, he was on of the few who chose to remain in the Falklands after Lexington´s raid, and she again chose to stay after HMS Clio reassert British sovereignty. She also survived the so-called Gaucho massacre and -being myself an Argentine I can tell you that is very, very rare- she has the honour of being the only recorded female Gaucho as far as I know.--Darius (talk) 19:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Antonina Roxa was an iconic settler of the Islands. She is mentioned as a notable figure in many books about the Falkland Islands' history. Contemporary primary sources also singled her out (by name or not) because of the great help she was to the colony, as she could fulfill various important labors. --Langus (t) 21:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- A good deal of the article is contextualisation, but there is enough on her to be worth keeping. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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