Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Fliegerbauer

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The result was keep. There does not appear to be much appetite for deletion. Merge discussions can continue on the appropriate talk page(s). Ad Orientem (talk) 03:49, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Fliegerbauer[edit]

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Not notable as per WP:VICTIM, only know as a victim in the Munich massacre. Count Count (talk) 11:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge (briefly) to Munich Massacre. The man was certainly not notable except in his death. However, he was the only victim, who was neither a Palestinian terrorist nor an athlete. It is hardly appropriate that he should merely appear as an unexplained name in the list of fatalities at the end of the article. We have articles (sometimes) on murder victims, where the article becomes "Death of John Foo" or "Murder of Jane Boo". It might be appropriate to keep the substantive article, but convert it to that format. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Killing of Anton Fliegerbauer as per usual. Note that ther has been INDEPTH analysis of the impact of Fliegerbauer death on German responses to the Massacre (I added this,) and of its impact on Germany-Israel relations and the attitude of German public in the 1970s towards Israel (not yet in article, but some is visible in gScholar search). While Nom is correct that we do not automatically have an article on every victim of a terror attack, we do have many such articles, and keep such articles when, as here, there has been WP:SIGCOV in the months, years and - in this case - decades after the event.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or selective Merge to Munich Massacre. BIO1E situation - nothing here carries much weight divorced from the massacre, and we can grow the massacre a bit. The individual athletes are independently notable under WP:NSPORT, but this individual is not.Icewhiz (talk) 11:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note that there has been scholarly discussion of Fliegerbauer's impact on the public/political response to the Massacre in Germany, a response that some scholars describe as having been shaped by the fact that there was a German who was killed in addition to 11 Israeli Jews.E.M.Gregory (talk) 05:47, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's still not independent of the massacre itself. Certainly a local police officer killed changed perceptions in the German public - and this has been covered (and this is natural - makes it closer to home) - however this is all still part of the massacre and reactions to it.Icewhiz (talk) 09:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there is sufficient analysis of his killing's impact and there is likely more in-depth biographical material in German sources. Neither VICTEM nor BIO1E are applicable in this case. Both explicitly except individuals associated with significant events where their role/impact can not be adequately discussed within the main event article as well as for people whose involvement is of 'historical significance' demonstrated by 'enduring coverage'. Jbh ^Talk 12:47, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - Actually agree with Icewhiz which is a nice change of pace. The notability guidelines for sports explains why the athletes were independently notable, but the same cannot honestly be said for the policeman. BLP1E is more than applicable for Fliegerbauer; his "notability" is dependent on his death in the massacre and there is no reason (other than perhaps laziness) why said death cannot be mentioned at Munich massacre, where it belongs. SIGCOV, in reality, is with the massacre. Regardless, SIGCOV has never superseded BLP policy, and the fact he was the only victim who wasn't an athlete is irrelevant.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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