Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antisemitism in the New Testament

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism in the New Testament[edit]

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Soap and coat article with backlogged tags. The biggest problem is that the article cites non-notable, fringe persons to support contentious subject. A bunch of statements comes from primary source and smells like WP:OR. The antisemitist nature of cited New Testament quotations is disputable: no distinction is made between the antisemitism and actual criticism of Jews by Jesus. The opinions themselves come from those disputable New Testament passages. Brandmeister t 11:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A quick review shows that the article cites indepndent scholarly sources such as Daniel Goldhagen whom the nom dismisses as "fringe". The article needs some addition of inline citations and revision but is clearly notable, saveable, and worth keeping. Jonathanwallace (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for being OR and POV. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and fix it. Indisputably a notable topic, with 600 hits at Google books, and a valuable article could be written under this heading. If this version needs work, then go to it! Hyperdoctor Phrogghrus (talk) 15:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A notable topic with many sources there even are whole book written about the subject.--Shrike (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As stated, a notable topic heavily discussed in multiple reliable scholarly sources, and (as stated) about which whole books have been written. It's true this article contains too much OR based on primary sources; on the other hand, it also cites (among others) James Dunn (theologian), who wrote extensively on the topic, and A. Roy Eckardt, one of Fifty Key Thinkers on the Holocaust and Genocide. They are in no way "non-notable, fringe persons". Jayjg ^(talk) 23:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Stubify — this is a notable topic but in its current state it is jam-packed with original research. It should be rewritten. *** Crotalus *** 14:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All putative citations to fringe persons should be remediated, and all OR should be backed up by a citation, but that's not a proper rationale for deletion. I don't get this nomination. Keep. -- Y not? 19:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it is not "OR" to record the antisemitism of the NT, often verbatim, as the plentiful sources and citations in this article prove. The article can use some polishing, but it is notable. It is impossible to "split" Jesus from the New Testament since it's all about him and his sayings, so the nominator's contention/s are both absurd and incorrect. By the way, there are plenty of similar critical articles in Category:Criticism of Judaism with inferior content that is allowed to exist, while this topic is serious and notable. IZAK (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't be citing the Bible in this or any other context without reliable third-party sources backing it up. Whether a particular verse is aimed against all Jews or only the speaker's immediate opponents is a matter of context and interpretation, and this is exactly the kind of thing where we need to rely on third-party sources. *** Crotalus *** 14:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve Unfortunately, there is anti-Semitic writing in the New Testament.I.Casaubon (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is anti-Judaic writing in the New Testament.[1] Anti-Semitism (that is, racialized hatred of Jews) did not exist until the Modern Era. *** Crotalus *** 14:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A lot of scholars have written about this topic, AFD is not cleanup etc. Qrsdogg (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.