Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Gasper

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The result was keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Gasper[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTY; would like to elicit discussion about WP:GNG since current sources cited seem to be routine. Mightytotems (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Mightytotems (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Mightytotems (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. I don't understand why this article supposedly fails WP:NFOOTY. I already expressed why it does in the edit summary when I removed the WP:PROD tag placed by the nominator. Enough sources are cited to prove notability. Question for Mightytotems: why do you believe the subject of this article isn't notable? You haven't elaborated on your reasoning, beyond saying "not notable" so please do explain further. DraconicDark (talk) 21:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC) Delete. see reasoning below[reply]

@DraconicDark: I've explained and attempted to engage you in a discussion at the talk page, especially since your edit summary is factually incorrect and irrelevant to NFOOTY. Gasper does not satisfy either criteria from WP:NFOOTY: she has not played for the German senior national team, and Frauen-Bundesliga is not a fully professional league. I've tried ascertaining WP:GNG and asked for your input with no reply. As I said above, sources cited in the page right now seem to be routine. If you can help demonstrate GNG then no reason why this page cannot be kept. Mightytotems (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mightytotems: I didn't notice the talk page thing; the ping seemed to not have worked because I didn't get a notification. In any case, you seem to be right; upon further examination, the article is not notable. I retract my argument. DraconicDark (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. @DraconicDark: regarding NFOOTBALL has this player played in a league listed at WP:FPL or for the German senior national team? Giant Snowman 22:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and football notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. She plays in the top-tier league in Germany. (She has quite a bit of coverage on that basis, too.) That NFOOTY argues for keeping tens of thousands of articles on one-game male players who could not pass GNG in a million years but tries to suggest that top-tier women players aren't notable isn't a problem with the articles or the topics, it's a problem with Wikipedia:WikiProject Football that needs correcting urgently. The Drover's Wife (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:GNG met. Update the article, refs and infobox. She's got 7 seasons in the top-division league in Germany under her belt. Search German Google if you want more refs. See also WP:ATD. Be constructive. Hmlarson (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She plays in a top tier league (Frauen-Bundesliga). Meets WP:NFOOTY. End of story. And before anyone comes at me with a claim that most female leagues aren't included, that's because of a major failing of every Wikiproject Football member on every level, whose biases on not documenting women's football is atrocious. Silverseren^C 05:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Playing in a top division does not mean a player meets WP:NFOOTY. The league has to be fully-professional, which the Frauen-Bundesliga is not. Number 5 7 14:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails NFOOTY and GNG. --BlameRuiner (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She meets NFOOTY, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Women's football task force/Leagues. She plays in a top division league. Silver seren^C 23:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Number 5 7 14:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Article about semi-pro footballer which appears to satisfy WP:GNG (see table below). Note that Gasper has appeared in over 100 Frauen-Bundesliga matches, over 60 of them starts, and has been called up to the Germany senior national football team on multiple occasions (though she has never appeared in a competitive match for Germany), so she isn't a fringe player. Jogurney (talk) 14:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.pnn.de/sport/die-geduldsspielerin-anna-gasper-ist-eine-der-fuehrungsfiguren-bei-turbine/25305844.html	Potsdamer Neueste Nachrichten is an independent newspaper	Regional newspaper in Brandenburg state	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail	✔ Yes
https://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/anna-gasper-von-bayer-leverkusen-zu-turbine-potsdam/	Independent webportal	The author appears to have expertise in German football (he also works for Märkische Allgemeine)	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail	✔ Yes
https://www.rbb24.de/sport/beitrag/2019/10/frauenfussball-laenderspiel-turbine-potsdam-anna-gasper-nationalmannschaft-nominierung.html	Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg is a public institution	The source is a radio broadcaster's online news site	~ The article discusses the subject directly, but not in much detail (3 paragraphs)	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Keep, she fails NFOOTY, but per the analysis of Jogurney, she passes GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Fails WP:NFOOTY but passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per Silver seren. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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