Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ankh (film)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ankh (film)

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A typical pumped up film article, winning tons of awards from "film festivals" which no one ever heard of or visits (but which have grand names like the Europe Film Festival" or the "Cannes Film Awards"), "interviews" with standard questions (i.e. no actual interviewer), and in this case one newspaper (HLN) which fell for the "wow, many awards" fake news and wrote an actual article. So, non-notable film without the necessary multiple good sources to establish notability. Fram (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Belgium. Fram (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete I was able to find no independent WP:RS Nagol0929 (talk) 12:21, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete even in .be sources, there's nothing about this film. This is about the best [1]. Ref bombed out the wazoo, winning non-notable film awards at festivals that aren't notable enough to have wiki articles and lack of coverage even in Belgium, it's a !Delete for me. Oaktree b (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

And the film has already premiered in June 2023? My calendar still says May 2023. This is PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Someone submitted their honeymoon film to film festivals and they took it and awarded it...which doesn't show the WP:N for this film, but how easy it is to get something submitted to a low-tier film festival. Nate • (chatter) 18:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment This Eurpope Film Festival is bunk: "Europe Film Festival UK has started in early 2020 pandemic time as a filmmaker community-led online film competition. Powered by independent creators, run for independent creators, the initiative became a hub of filmmakers joining forces to add visibility to its winners." They aren't even awarding it anymore and it's an online "thing" started during covid. Independent creators, online. Seriously, we're using this as the notability for the film? And the Patrick J Knight is a redirect to the band mentioned in the article. This is some weird wiki cross promotion rabbit hole ...Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. Notability because awards does not just indiscrimnately attach to just any award from just any film festival on the planet — there's actually this entire circuit out there of fake film festivals that don't even really screen films for the public at all, and instead exist solely as "award mills" where emerging wannabe filmmakers can buy themselves an award or three so that they can promote their film as an "award winner". So NFILM only cares about film festival awards to the extent that reliable source media outlets care about said awards — films are notable if they win awards that are notable by virtue of receiving media coverage, and are not notable for winning awards that you have to depend on the film festival's own self-published website about itself to "reference" the claim because media don't report that festival's award as news. That is, awards from the likes of Berlin, Cannes, TIFF, Venice or Sundance (major festivals of international significance whose awards get reported as news) are clearly notability clinchers, while awards from "Krimson Horyzon", "Hodu" and "Dreamz Catcher" (festivals which get so little coverage that it's difficult to even verify whether they're "award mills" or just real but small-fry film festivals of purely local significance) aren't. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. The Belgian premiere will take place at the end of June. The theater's website provides clear information about the feature film, a performance by Gravity Noir, and even a red carpet moment. I have now omitted this information from the article. This is to avoid giving the impression of advertising. The show is almost completely sold out. We can therefore assume that this will receive the necessary press and media attention. I think it would be premature to have the article removed. Trix18365 (talk) 07:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

  Presenting a film is celebrity coverage, nothing detailing the history or development of the film, nor any sort of critical reviews of the film. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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• Deletebecause the article does not pass WP:N and violates WP:PROMO. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep - I have omitted any information that could give the impression that this article is advertising. Notwithstanding, once the event has taken place, it will be discussed afterward. Therefore we can assume that this Belgian film première will receive the necessary press, media attention and any sort of critical reviews of the film. As in third-party sources discussing the film, and detailing its history or development of the film. Once again, I think it would be premature to have the article removed. Trix18365 (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You cannot vote twice. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete - Kudos to the previous voters and nominator for research on all the fake awards and hyped up promotional articles. Those analyses are far more convincing than the argument from one person who says the article isn't part of a self-hyping circular ecosystem that hasn't broken through to reality. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - Per nom Lewolka (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - Per nom, though the determination and delusion involved is strangely fascinating BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 05:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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