Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Eiden

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 12:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Eiden[edit]

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Doesn't pass WP:GNG.

His biggest acting role is in a sitcom that was cancelled for low ratings after one season. I find news articles that mention him as an audiobook narrator, but mostly just as the line "narrated by Andrew Eiden". asilvering (talk) 01:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers, Film, Television, and California. asilvering (talk) 01:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This biographical article fails WP:NACTOR, which states that Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. The biggest acting role is in a quickly cancelled sitcom (Complete Savages). It debatably counts towards one role per WP:NACTOR, Andrew is one of the starring roles, the show is also apparently notable with multiple reviews for it being bad. However, the multiple requirement of NACTOR is failed. I do not see any more indication of other criteria of WP:NBIO, WP:BASIC, or WP:GNG being met. Narrating in a book and being shortlisted doesn't count towards GNG or BASIC a non-trivial/significant source. My WP:BEFORE search also only found trivial mentions, 1, 2, 3. VickKiang (talk) 08:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete His "extended family" has more sources for GNG than he does. Audiobook narration is not notable unless he wins an award of some sort. Oaktree b (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: While I think there may be difficulty in making out WP:NACTOR, as the subject only appears to have one relevant significant role, there may be an argument to be made for WP:GNG. I had a few newspaper articles clipped (here, here and here), and I came across this at Google Books. There are further articles at newspapers.com too, which may also be of assistance. It's not brilliant, but it's a start. Dflaw4 (talk) 13:01, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dflaw4: I am thoroughly unconvinced that those are WP:SIGCOV. Your first two sources mention Andrew Eiden three times while listing the cast and trivially discuss his role. The third one is further routine, mainly quotes and is interview-like. Per WP:GNG, Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example, directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources. Additionally, the Book ref literally mentions Eden in two sentences, first instance discussing their role in a single sentence, then quoting Eiden in another sentence. These are inadequate to pass WP:GNG, but given we almost always disagree let's respectfully disagree here too. Oaktree b, asilvering, do you think those sources are adequate and would result in you changing your vote? VickKiang (talk) 20:33, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This seems like a delete so far, but since possible sources were brought forward on the last day, I'm giving it a relist to allow more reaction time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 05:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I concur with the analysis of VickKiang here. An independent search for sources from me has resulted in me being unable to find anything useable, and the sources provided above are in my view not notability establishing. —Sirdog (talk) 07:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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