Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amrita Kak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Insufficient discussion of the late-added sources to establish a "delete" consensus. Sandstein 12:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Amrita Kak

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Fails WP:NACTOR.Nothing except about her connections with Salman Khan etc.. ~ Winged Blades^Godric 07:11, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

• Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ~ Winged Blades^Godric 07:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. ~ Winged Blades^Godric 07:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Keep - Though poorly written, she is very notable singer in India. "Just Chill", "Desi Beat" and "Character Dheela" are very notable and chart topping songs. This article needs to be improved by adding sources from news, interviews or online books. Ratsama (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

• Delete only sources I'm able to find are her Apple Music page and an India Times article about her having a baby. Not nearly enough to warrant an article. Jdcomix (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
• Week keep I've added some RS. Some songs in the list like Dhinka Chika and Character Dheela as mentioned in Ready (2011 film)#Reception, and Just Chill have been hits. MT Train^Discuss 18:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• Delete a non-notable singer. Too much emphasis on her relations, one does not notability by being a relation. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Appears to easily pass WP:GNG using just the sources that are written in English. She's received continuing coverage since at least 2011, including significant coverage in The Times of India and Indian Express. Additionally, she is much more popular in India than in English speaking countries, which means there are likely many more sources in Hindi. Lonehexagon (talk) 04:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
• Delete sourcing is inadequate to establish notability. I did a search and it appears the article includes much of what is available, so sourcing is not likely to improve.104.163.148.25 (talk) 02:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

At least 6 sources talk about her in detail, but still inadequate? Passes notability as per WP:MUSICBIO. There is no music chart in India, else a couple of her songs would've made it up there.MT Train^Talk 03:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

IN response to your claim, I just checked the first three again. Only one talked about her in detail. The Times of India source could not be more minor. The second was OK, and the third was minor. Don;t exaggerate the quality of the sourcing here, as it is poor.104.163.148.25 (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:NEXIST says "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article." Considering the fact that she's far more popular in India than here, and only speaks Hindi yet has received enough coverage in English to satisfy WP:GNG and possibly WP:MUSICBIO, there are certainly far more sources for her in Hindi. Lonehexagon (talk) 03:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Added additional sources to the article. Passes WP:MUSICBIO She "has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician." She "has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album" as she's written music for several notable Bollywood films. She "has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network" and although India doesn't have official music charts, in many profiles on her, her music is referred to as a "chart buster," "climbing the charts," or something along those lines, which indicates they were widely popular in the country. For example, this article in the India Times says "Amrita Kak, who has chartbusters like 'Just Chill' and 'Character Dheela' to her credit" or "Kak's heart pumping numbers 'Character Dheela Hai' and 'Dhinka Chika' in the recent Salman starrer 'Ready' became a rage in the country" or "Her latest number, 'Character dheela' from the upcoming Salman Khan-Asin starrer Ready, has been steadily climbing the charts. And the same was the fate of almost all of of Amrita Kak’s previous numbers." or "Amrita, who gave Bollywood hits like 'Just Chill-Chill' from the movie 'Maine Pyar Kyun Kiya' and 'Character Dheela' from the movie 'Ready'" Nearly every bio on her that discusses her music says something along those lines, indicating her music is extremely popular and well-known in the country. Lonehexagon (talk) 03:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Usually, I don't like third relists but in this case, more discussion of the sources presented today makes sense.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SoWhy 10:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

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