Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambarish Srivastava (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Salted as well. NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ambarish Srivastava[edit]

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Apparent vanity article (written by an SPA) on insufficiently notable person. The Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award does not confer sufficient notability as more than 50 are awarded each year. Softlavender (talk) 10:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 12:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The first AfD was closed on February 8, 2010; with article being deleted. The article was created again on February 9, 2010; ie the next day. Even though there is a marginal coverage of the subject, it fails WP:GNG, and doesnt have significant coverage either. Most of the coverage is due to the award, which in turn does not make the awardee notable. WP:BIO1E maybe evoked as well. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my original nomination, the only passing mentions in Hindi newspapers are local event listings and reviews where this person participated, there's no coverage at all as an architect/poet or whatever the SPAs/socks are trying to promote. As for the award itself, the only reason it finds mention in any RS (unrelated to this recipient) is that it is easily confused with Indira Gandhi Prize and lazy journalism takes over from that. Neither the award nor the organization that gives it are notable, it's quite easy to give out 50-60 plaques using some notable person's name and gain some coverage on that basis. If anyone looks at the history of the article they'll know the amount of spamming that's been going on here, uploading images of buildings etc as references to being an architect, membership certificates etc. It should have been deleted as G11 in those early versions, but unfortunately this award seems to preclude it from an A7 deletion now. —SpacemanSpiff 04:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete and Salt--Wot Spiff sez.I've PRODDED the article about the award too!And, given the interests of a SPA, who has edited nothing but the topic, in around 8 years, whilst displaying bouts of IDHT, I strongly expect recreation.~ Winged Blades^Godric 06:52, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete. because the Indira Gandhi Priyadarshini Award confer sufficient notability as nearly 20 people which is less than 50 are awarded each year as per this link. https://www.indiainfoline.com/article/b-school-news/dr-o-p-bhalla-mriu-conferred-the-%E2%80%98indira-gandhi-priyadarshini-award%E2%80%99-113103000030_1.html . All other coverage are very strong in national Hindi newspapers which are widely circulated. Ambarish Srivastava is notable as an architectural Engineer, if he is writing poetry as a Hindi poet then what is the problem? Spjayswal67 (talk) 07:33, 28 March 2018 (UTC) — Spjayswal67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Strong Delete, Salt, and Indef Block creator:

(1) Award is non-notable, only covered in local news (the article about the award was PRODed, see above);

(1a) The organisation giving the award is also non-notable;

(2) Only passing mentions in Hindi newspapers (per SpacemanSpiff), fails GNG outright, possible BIO1E;

(3) Recreation is strongly expected (per Winged Blades of Godric), so the article needs to be salted;

(3a) The article was deleted because of the previous AfD, and again per CSD G4;

(4) The creator, being a SPA for 9 years, needs to be indefinitely blocked;

(4a) The creator seems to be a promotion-only account. Luis150902 (talk | contribs) 14:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opang Jamir for a similar AfD (Indian BLP, created by a SPA with COI, sourced to local newspapers and to self-published sources, winner of non-notable competition), whose result was delete. Luis150902 (talk | contribs) 12:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some facts.

Very long comments by article's creator

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I was absent from Wikipedia due to SpacemanSpiff because he was going to erase my article slowly and nobody was listening to me, so I decided to stop editing here. I thought that the article created by me might have survived by this move, but unfortunately starting of in this month when I found that he had almost wiped it out and put the tag of the dollar on it, then I came back for which you can block me forever but I am asking him that if there was notability problem in this article and if this person is not notable then why this article was allotted to main space? Why Mr. Spiff had taken 8 years to delete it’s material. He was also present in that discussion and why did he not deleted it immediately? Still I am providing some proof of his notability as under:

English Translation of Book Review of published poetry book of Ambarish Srivastava (whose poetic surname is ‘Ambar’) named ‘Desh ko pranam hai’ (trans: Salute to country) of Ambarish Srivastava by Dr. Sudhakar Adeeb, Director, Uttar Pradesh Hindi Sansthan Lucknow Uttar Pradesh which is a A Topmost Government Body of Uttar Pradesh related to Hindi Literature.Link: http://www.swargvibha.in/pustak%20samiksha/all_pustak_samiksha/deshko_pranamhai.html

'English Translation:' Passing through poetry collection of poet Ambarish Srivastava 'Ambar' is similar to interviewing verses from the era of era when “Priy Prawas’ of Ayodhya Singh Upadhyay's 'Harioudh' used to scatter his goldsmiths or when Jagannath Das Ratnakar' wrote the wonderful poetry of philosophy 'Uddhav Shatak' Or when Maithilisaran Gupt and Ramdhari Singh used to hoist the celebrity sign of well organised poetry of Hindi like 'Dinkar', . Due to change the era, people were changed, change the meaning of the poets. Until the ‘Chayavadi’ era, everything went well. Then came out of the era of experimentalism and progressivism, poetry in the form a new poem. After that, the Hindi poetry became ruthless and it became completely self-controlled.In our time, poetry is like a bird unfortunately. Today every third person declares himself to be a poet with great confidence after scraping the two wings of the poetic bird , even if he is doing nothing more than rhyme in the name of composition. In such a way, if any great poet propagating the traditional traditions of poetic Rishies by his poetic works in the official and empowered way of the genuineness of the realization, then its creation is certainly not only worthwhile, but it is also praiseworthy. In today's chaotic time, if his such a dedicated effort towards poetry is called the ‘Bhagiratha’ effort, it not would be an exaggeration. This poetry collection named ‘Desh ko pranam hai’ by poet Ambar is very much convincing in us in these meanings, In this poetry collection, the beauty and structure of the Verses tied poems are visible. The poet often composed all kinds of verses. It means that there will hardly be a form of a versed short poem which would have been left out of his pen, in which he would not have made anything. It is also an introduction to their multiple knowledge in versed poetry. In the middle and the end between the presented collection, he defines the particular verses also. It is very useful to understand the essence of Hindi's traditional poem. Therefore, this poetry collection of Amabrish Shrivastava Ambar ji is not only readable but also collectable. Amber's poetic vision is quite broad like his surname. He is a great poet and poetry friar. Such poets are now rare in the era of this calamity. The most eccentric thing is to be a pure poet along with being an engineer. Purely speaking, writing a composite poem from quantity, sound and rhythm is not a simple task than a versatile poem, unless you have a proper knowledge of the classical form of poetry. Ambar ji fulfills that lack in poetry. So this is a very good and thing of welcome. The poet has created poetry on a variety of topics in his book 'Desh ko pranam hai’. He is a versatile poet of life values. Together they are also integral to contemporary concerns. For example, if he speaks of his country, his moderate vision is also concerned for the skill of the Pakistani teenager ‘Malala Yusufzai’, who struggles for women's education rights, when he expresses his generosity in 'Talibanih denhi yahu desh nikala'. The poet is unhappy with the current inconsistencies of homeland. He expresses his sadness in a couple of ways –“The rule of exemptions on the path of diplomacy is everywher. There is Ramrajya today which is covered by democracy.” The poet is using 'Ramrajya' here in the Satirical way. It does not stop here, the fractal heart says to here also – “Instead of considering this corruption we have to leave the corruption . We should be controlled with the help of military stick.” This poetic book of poet Ambar ji, is an arrangement with many poetic excitement, whose journey will delight and cherish every distressed mind. I believe this. My goodwill to this best poet for the poetic masterpiece book. Sudhakar Adeeb, Director, Uttar Pradesh Hindi Sansthan Lucknow.(Trans:Uttar Pradesh Hindi Institute, Lucknow)

'Ambarish Srivastava has been listed at top poet' by Hiten Vyas at http://writingtipsoasis.com/21-top-indian-poets-to-follow-on-facebook/ Spjayswal67 (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2018 (UTC) — Spjayswal67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: You are citing Facebook, blogs, and local news: none are reliable sources. Luis150902 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'One question please' Weather http://www.swargvibha.in/pustak%20samiksha/all_pustak_samiksha/deshko_pranamhai.html is a blog or local newspaper or Facebook? It is a Reputed website.Spjayswal67 (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2018 (UTC) — Spjayswal67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

'Following is the english translation of the news as in Hindustan_(National newspaper)' dated November 3, 2016. The image of the cutting is here- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_9HwOanYqv44qTeM2pWLzX1sb2sCB2Uu/view?usp=sharing Translation: **Ambarish illustrating the ‘sky of literature’. Sitapur: Ashish Pandey. “Deca Das Hai, Kilo hajar, Hecto se samjho sau bar. Dasham deci, sauvan centi, Hai Hajarvan Bhag Milli.” (original words of Hindi poetry written in roman) This way of teaching mathematics through the poetic structure by Master Sahab (Teacher) Mr. Vrinda baksh had such an impact on his student Ambarish that he continued his legacy even after becoming an engineer. Ambarish is introducing poetry to the new generation through literature. The notability and contribution in the field of literature and Vastu by Ambarish, who is the resident of civil lines and an engineer by profession, is original to such an extent that the publishing industry has published his works in three different publications. “Chhabbees matra prati charan hai kya gazab ki dhar. Hai char charnee ant guru laghu shilp hi Adhar. Nau sat par ho yati shushobhit bantata yah pyar. Das shesh matra prati charan hi Chhandmay abhisar.” (original words of Hindi poetry written in roman). Defining ‘Chand (English translation:verses) Kamroop’ of mahabhagwat prajati in the structure of same chhand (verses) ‘Kamroop’, engineer Ambarish Srivastava highlighted that this is also known by the name of ‘Baital Chhand (verses)’ and development of this Chhand (Verses) by a Chhandkar (Translated as Poet) practicing Madan Chhand (Verses)or Roopmala would be an easy task. He also presented the definitions of chhand (Verses)‘Vidhata’, chhand (Verses) ‘Ullala’, chhand ‘Geetika’, ‘Lalit’ Chhand and many other styles of chhands in their own structures. He also highlighted 23 types of Doha (A kind of poetic style) in their own styles. Engineer Ambarish Srivastava once said that in order to get the new generation an essence of Hindi Literature, he organizes various online poetic completions. The youth participating in these competitions have shown drastic improvement in their poetic skills and they are also growing interests in participation in various other literature related competitions, through sources. Spjayswal67 (talk) 17:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'Following News published in the widely circulated National Newspaper named Rahat Times Lucknow on 17-05-2-15 ....Page- 9' https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1151181308241501&set=pb.100000489279452.-2207520000.1522344810.&type=3&theater Heading:Always construct earthquake resistant structures: Ambarish Shrivastava. Sitapur. Generally, people are not serious about building an earthquake building because they probably think that earthquakes will never occur in this area, but the recent earthquake shocks have proved that this can happen. In this connection, Expert Engineer Ambarish Srivastava, who is a specialist in earthquake research, learned from IIT Kanpur, said that there has been a sudden eruption of soil in the area and in the form of unexpectedly shallow wells which have been detected in the earthquake. There is a serious sign of potential threats, so now that the earthquake has arrived, we have to be careful. According to Engineer Srivastava, earthquake does not automatically kill in the form of death, but due to the unpredictable tremors of the earth, the loss occurs due to of substandard weak structures and buildings etc. which is a terrible loss of public money. During the earthquake, a weaker building behaves like a bomb, which leads to loss of damage to neighboring buildings along with heavy losses. In today's era, people are being used extensively with nine-inch in to nine inch pillar, with the advice of some Rajmistries (masons) in the wake of saving of rupees, the walls of four and a half inch of which are absolutely insecure and inappropriate, Not only it but only six mm. rings are being found with eight to twelve mm. dia bars above mentioned columns. they are also being seen at very long distance from the prescribed standard. Those rings whose ends are not turn inwards but turned only on right angles. Which opens easily during an earthquake and the pillar becomes collapse while the same person does not refrain from spending a good amount on the interior of the house. In fact, during the earthquake, there is no significance of nine inches pillar and four inches of wall in a building because it has to be collapse. By building such a structure, it is better to build a masonry structure tied to enough ties. Engineer Srivastava said that the fundamentally eighty five percentage of the building depends entirely on its size, shape and geometry determined by an insecticide, while only the remaining fifteen percent improvements are done in the capacity of Structural Engineer. The necessary tensile strength, proper flexibility, adequate persistence and strong bond and quality are essential properties for an earthquake resistant building. Indeed, in this phase of earthquakes, there is an urgent need of an architectural engineer for the design of an earthquake-resistant building for every structure, even if the building is either big or of any type. The use of seismic retrofitting technology is also essential in the direction of expert engineer to strengthen the old buildings along with it. The public should be completely avoided by seeking advice from the masons in relation to this because the advice can be very fatal. It was also informed by the above expert that the regular indiscriminate water scarcity and geological faults stemming from the very devastation of forests may invite the possibility of a major intensity earthquake.

Spjayswal67 (talk) 05:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC) — Spjayswal67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

My comment still stands, the above is nothing but a local interest puff piece -- "who is the resident of civil lines and an engineer by profession", as was the case last time around, all these city supplement event listings and reviews are being passed of as quality sources to promote the article. Nothing has changed since then, and the numerous sock/SPAs clearly show that there's some weird sort of COI promotion going on here. —SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Above all Hindi newspapers are 'National Newspapers' which are widely circulated in whole Uttar Pradesh. I strictly resist here the blame of COI promotion upon me which appears a case of defamation under section 499 of IPC.Spjayswal67 (talk) 08:41, 30 March 2018 (UTC) — Spjayswal67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - and note that the article's advocate, user Spjayswal67, has now been indef'd for making legal threats. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - non-notable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, salt, and indeff creator. They are clearly nothere. Andrewa (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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