Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amanullah (Khairpur cricketer)

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The result was delete. Delete for now as there is no list to merge to; anyone who wants to create such a list ping me and I'll restore for a merge. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amanullah (Khairpur cricketer)[edit]

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A first-class cricketer from around 60 years ago, Amanullah played two matches. We do not know his dates or birth or death, meaning that we don't know if this is a BLP or not. We do not, in fact, know very much about Amanullah at all. We don't know if he bowled right-arm or left-arm, fast or spin. We don't know if he batted right-handed or left-handed, if he was chosen because he was mates with the captain, or was prodigious at a lower level. The only sources we have are CricketArchive and ESPNcricinfo, both of which give bare statistical summaries. Other searches reveal nothing of note. In summary, the subject does not meet WP:GNG. Although he does meet the very inclusive criteria set down in WP:NCRIC, as noted in the 2017 RfC that does not have precedence over the GNG. If a List of Khairpur cricketers existed, then a redirect/merge to that list might be appropriate, but it does not, and honestly, the title is a pretty implausible search term. Harrias ^talk 12:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Harrias ^talk 12:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Harrias ^talk 12:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Harrias ^talk 12:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Comment copied from here. I was wondering if there were any more names to be discovered. Bobo . 12:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - "We do not know much about this person" is not a deletion criterion. "We do not know this person's birthdate" is not a deletion criterion. Just as with Ziauddin, this may have just been the name he went by. Bobo . 20:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a List of Khairpur cricketers per my reasoning at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ziauddin_(cricketer). In short, this isn't a biography but inflated match scorecards and the information shouldn't be dressed up as a biography. This team played few enough games for a list to be feasible in terms of length, and I do not think the cricket sub-SNG, which conflicts with WP:NSPORT, is a good fit for obscure players for whom no biographical information is ever going to turn up. Reyk _YO! 09:29, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't meet the basic requirements of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC; it has been shown time and time again that the criteria laid down by WP:NCRIC are overly inclusive and a poor indicator of notability for players who have appeared in very few matches – nothing has changed with the guideline since the RfC linked above, which reinforces that view and makes it clear that arguments based WP:NSPORT guidelines alone should carry little weight at AfD. Per SPORTBASIC, scorecards are nothing more than WP:ROUTINE proof he played; claiming notability requires much more than that. As the only sources are indiscriminate statistical repositories (Cricinfo, CricketArchive, etc.), this falls well below the threshold required by GNG as there is zero significant coverage. Unfortunately, as a result of the limited sourcing, this is also nothing more than a mirror of those websites converted into a couple of sentences. If there were an appropriate "list of.." article, he would probably belong there. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete. I'd be quite happy to merge to the list suggested but don't have time to create the list itself just now.

We don't have enough about the bloke to justify a stand alone article and have no biographical details other than a single name. We know only that he played in two cricket matches - we don't have any club matches etc... to give us a greater chance of turning up in depth sources. Adding issues with verifiability and the resultant total failure to get anywhere close to meeting the GNG and I think it is extremely unlikely that we will ever find out anything that would come close to suitable sourcing beyond statistical databases. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: If there is in fact no target to which to merge this, merge is an inappropriate suggestion. I agree that neither knowing much, or a birthdate, about a person are valid deletion grounds, but such an argument ignores that the nom proffered a valid deletion ground. I agree with that ground, and agree with the broad swathe of editors who feel that NCRIC is far too lenient on utterly obscure athletes, this not being Cricketpedia. Ravenswing 01:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.