Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allatra IPM

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus appears to be that this topic does not meet notability guidelines. Generally, for an organization to have an article here it is not enough for it to have lots of branches or lots of members; we need that various independent reliable sources have written about a given topic. WP:NCORP has some criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Allatra IPM[edit]

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Non-profit organization of questionable notability. No indication of how big they are, or what of any consequence they do, except holding conferences on very vague topics. I can't evaluate the non-English sources, but the English ones seem to be from websites of questionable reliability, or straight-on esoteric fringe nonsense (e.g., [1]). The text also reads as an attempt at self-promotion. Sandstein 11:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very helpful article and reflects the IPM Allatra description fully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjakubis (talk • contribs) 19:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Trying to find information about this on the net, but the more I try to design precise searches, the less I find – it appears that there are few secondary sources about the topic. I did the following: 1. follow the links in the article, in the section Links all links were dead, of the 2. some of the links in References seems to go to articles which are perhaps secondary, perhaps self-published, 3. Google for "AllaTra International Public Movement" and "Lagoda Movement", but when I forced google to include the words verbatim, virtually all secondary sources disappeared. I think they are non-notable, and perhaps (mis)using Wikipedia as a self-publishing site. They should be deleted. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 20:05, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As for what the deal with, I found some Youtube stuff that they believe that they can transform people to gods by putting them into pyramids built from mirrors. But that doesn't matter, Wikipedia may contain woo, but it must be notable woo. C.f. Ectoplasm (paranormal) Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 22:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Thank you for your feedback regarding our article. We have removed the points which might be regarded as self-promotion. At the same time, we would like to emphasize that our organization really includes a great number of participants who have established branch offices in many countries of the world. Taking this into account, we believe that our organization deserves at least a minimal article on Wikipedia. We kindly ask you not to remove the article about us and give us an opportunity to work on its improvement, in particular by adding more weighty proof links. We truly hope for understanding and fruitful cooperation. comment added by Sashko u 10:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Only mentions I could find consist of press releases and the organization's own website. Appears to have been created as promotional in nature to use Wikipedia to build credibility, not because they're otherwise notable. 136.57.207.196 (talk) 21:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good afternoon! While writing an article, we made a mistake, namely we inserted an incorrect link which is not relevant to the topic. We have now removed this link. We extend our apologies and express deep regret that this link might have influenced your impression of us. comment added by Sashko u 10:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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