Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alipio Ponce

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 07:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alipio Ponce[edit]

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Deprodded without rationale. While he's been designated a "national hero", there is no indication of what exactly that is. Not enough in-depth coverage to show they pass WP:GNG, and definitely does not meet WP:SOLDIER. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep and suggest to withdraw. There are streets named after him ([1]) [2]) There are schools named after him ([3] [4]). The school that trains mid-level officers of the Peruvian police is called "Escuela de Educación Superior Técnico Profesional-Héroe Nacional Cap. PNP. Alipio Ponce". There is even a football team named after him. The article is sourced with a 225-page book, so in-depth coverage is definitely available. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 03:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep, given he was declared "a National Hero on April 24, 1987"; it seemingly would be enough for GNG. Certainly his rank does not, and it would help the article and reader if more details were added, which would convey why he was declared such. As of now, it is very weak. Kierzek (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - not sure what a "National Hero" actually means. Is it the "nation's highest award for valour"? It's not listed at List of highest military decorations (but there is no entry at all for Peru). The closest thing I could find is the Order of the Sun of Peru, but that is for both civil and military "merit", not sure how that ties into the NSOLDIER parameter. As best as I can find, the two highest awards are the Military Merit Cross (awarded to army personnel for outstanding service in defense of the nation or public order), and the Peruvian Navy Merit Cross for Navy personnel. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete streets and schools are often named after non-notable people, neither is a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:37, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Included in the book is the declaration as a National Hero, which was done by an individual statute, which seems to indicate its importance separate from whether it's a military decoration. --Lineagegeek (talk) 11:35, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This does appear to be an official status conferred by the state by individual legislation on a fairly small number of individuals and entails reburial in the Crypt of the Heroes in Lima. I think it definitely meets the criteria of both WP:SOLDIER and WP:ANYBIO #1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Official declaration as a national hero should be enough to pass WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Every Purple Heart awardee, every Bronze Star awardee, etc. is an official declaration of that person being a national hero. Still haven't seen anything to show how this declaration meets GNG. Especially since there are awards in that country which are considered the highest award. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:12, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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