Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Gissing

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The result was merge to George Gissing. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 05:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Gissing[edit]

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I have added some content and a couple of references to this article on the son of George Gissing, but I cannot see enough coverage, and I am not clear for what Alfred Gissing is notable. His achievements as a writer, soldier and educator are mentioned, but none seem especially notable. Tacyarg (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Article about father. It seems that there is some historical interest in him editing and publishing his father's works. Shame, it's a nicely written article about a rather unremarkable person. Slywriter (talk) 22:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to George Gissing as he lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS independent of his father and WP:NOTINHERITED. Mztourist (talk) 03:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clark (in Clark, R. (2019). My Victorians: Lost in the Nineteenth Century. University of Iowa Press.) has what is, to my mind, a useful section p161-164 which helps contribute to the case for keeping the article - and the literary importance of his father, and his contribution to material for Gissing studies, means that interest in the son would make this page useful. Merging anything much from here to the article on George Gissing would unbalance this page. Pages like this are too my mind one of the reasons Wikipedia is useful.(Msrasnw (talk) 08:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

@Msrasnw:Which information beyond the details related to his father are relevant to readers?

Childhood details are about a pension and boarding school, hardly significant details. His military experience seems to be typical of his generation without any extraordinary actions. Marriage and children has only one minor notable detail that his daughter was an Olympic skier (with a very brief article here). And the teacher section contains maybe a notable detail about him founding a school. All in all, a paragraph on his father's page could cover those details while also incorporating the writing section. I struggle to see the benefits for a reader of two articles vs going to one article and getting all the relevant details. Though open to seeing this in a different light.

Note: pinging one time only because not sure if you are following the page. Slywriter (talk) 15:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Slywriter:Dear Slywriter, thanks for the ping. My view would be that merging to one article would mean loosing some potentially useful information. For example Alfred's founding of a school supported by Unesco, his view on Holman Hunt, his war service his role in Gissing studies but on the book by Clark (The first thing I found when with the simple checking via Google from the link above) Clark looks at Alfred as a biographer of Holman Hunt (and does not like his biography) , reports on his life.. his being fathers favorite, his abandonment , his army service, his receipt of a government pension – arranged by HG Wells - his documenting or curating of his fathers literary inheritance and has the nice lines:

“Alfred Gissing, it seemed to me, was a Victorian writer living in 1935, minus the doubt, conflict, and tenuous hopes that the best Victorian writers struggled with: what money did and didn't do; what class and gender meant; what the consequences consequences of technology, urbanization and advanced capitalism might be; how or if faith and doubt could be squared.” (p.165) .

He seems to me to be reporting on him. Anyway despite some worries contributing here were about whether there was something I was missing about the author of our article (with their talk pages showing some miss-behaviour which I don’t know the extent of). I can’t see how it benefits the encyclopedia to delete this (which I think merging would involve} and might cost it a bit. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 09:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Merge to the article about the father. Just not seeing anything notable here individually. Intothat darkness 16:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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