Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexey Chuklin (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. postdlf (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alexey Chuklin[edit]

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Sub and Local racing categories are semi-professional to non-professional, only the main category could be named as professional. Argento1985 23:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails to meet WP:NMOTORSPORTS and WP:GNG. Coverage consists of routine race results and statistics. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 03:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Firstly, why did no one bother to notify me of this, given that I rewrote the article and republished it? Secondly, the European F3 Open is a continental Formula 3 series, and is thus enough for notability. The nomination statement is incoherent as well, and could easily be read as "this guy's latest series is notable" - as I read it, that's what it says. Finally, I strongly feel that this is a WP:POINTy nomination, after I previously AfDed Constantinos Laifis, where Argento1985 made several unfounded personal attacks towards me. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 09:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - now, but recreate when Chucklin is further up the career ladder. Store your excellent article work for now and augment to recreate article after Chuklin advances in sport.Tammytoons (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Tammytoons[reply]

If it has to go, then by all means stick it back in my userspace, and I'll accept the consensus until he moves into a higher series. I still believe he meets the guidelines, as he competes in a continental F3 series, and I still believe this nomination is an attempt at payback. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Often happens. Most editors here are not petty & spiteful, but the ones who are, REALLY, are. Don't let them bait you, ultimately, as in larger society, they cannot stop others industry and initiative, just slow it down. The F3, though, is just a rung in the ladder to F1, but just a few more steps for Chucklin.Tammytoons (talk) 20:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Tammytoons[reply]

The full European F3 Championship has always been enough for notability. The national-level ones are a grey area. The European F3 Open is in the middle of the two, but I believe that it is enough :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info, so at worst its just one more step for Chucklin before you recreate the article. As one less experienced than you in this area, I'll have to accept your info that the full European F3 is the established summit for notability and continue to recommend the article is not created until then. Good luck. Please, don't think me rude if I don't respond again. just on to other matters. Good luck again. Tammytoons (talk) 20:51, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Tammytoons[reply]

Keep. IP 204.xxx is wrong about WP:NMOTORSPORT. Chuklin meets the requirement by driving in the European F3 Open Championship. Binksternet (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relist rationale appears to be a disconnect between editors as to whether the European F3 comfers notability - more discussion required. Black Kite (talk) 12:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there's an assertion that the subject meets WP:NMOTORSPORT and nothing (including in the nomination) to suggest otherwise. If consensus is that the F3 Open counts then he's notable by our standards. Unless there's something to suggest otherwise... Stalwart111 14:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He's not even driving in the top level of European F3 racing. I found an article that says it takes 500,000 to 1,000,000 euros to field a car and driver for an F3 season and I didn't find anything that shows there's enough prize money to cover that. WP:NMOTORSPORT requires "prize money is not trivial compared to the cost of the series". If that can be shown, the series is notable and so are the drivers. I also noticed he's not listed among the drivers for his team on the series' website. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We do not base an AfD on whether a sport is profitable, so the difference between the cost and the prize is not relevant.
Chuklin is listed as a member of Emilio de Villota Motorsport... he is listed as a top 10 entrant in this official Villota blog. The European F3 Open website lists Chuklin here, and they have a brief info page about him. Furthermore, back in January they published an announcement of Chuklin joining Emilio de Villota Motorsport. I don't see any basis for your conclusions. Binksternet (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look at WP:NMOTORSPORT? I quoted the section of the motorsport criteria that says whether or not driving in a particular series confers notability. It's the only section which might make Chuklin notable. So the prize money is relevant.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you've misread Binksternet's statement. He made the valid comment that NMOTORSPORT does not say a series needs to be profitable, merely that it needs to have a decent amount of prize money compared to the series' costs. After all, most F1 teams won't be making a profit from Formula One's prize money alone; they need the multitude of sponsorship deals to do so, and sometimes even pay drivers just to stay afloat. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Luke.
We are left with the question of whether a driver is notable for participation in the European F3 Open Championship. Some other driver biographies top out at that level, such as Arturo Llobell, Nico Verdonck, Kristján Einar, Carlos Iaconelli, Roldán Rodríguez, Victor Corrêa, and Alejandro Núñez. To me, it looks like the F3 has been accepted as giving notability. Binksternet (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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