Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Zeitlin (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Zeitlin[edit]

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Per attempted PROD which was contested for largely procedural reasons: Individual is of dubious notability and the article is currently lacking any inline references. All sources listed appear to be primary sources, and I can't find secondary ones. Since then a source has been added which as far as I can see does not mention the person. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: This may be a hoax. Extremely vague offline referencing, and the one link that is provided ([1]) does not seem to mention him at all. No obituaries found for this person on newspapers.com in 1998 despite being a "prominent" soldier, which is odd. No mentions of him at all on GBooks, despite allegedly being a prominent hydraulic press designer. Curbon7 (talk) 05:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unverifiable, likely hoax. Curbon7 (talk) 06:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a hoax stricto sensu as the listed patents are legit and were filed by a certain Alexander Zeitlin (you can run them through Google patents and get a pdf of the patent). Certainly non-notable, though. Ostalgia (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there was a PROD, so Soft Deletion not possible. However, looking at the previous AFD, it appears to be about a different person who shared this name, different biographical details.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if true and written by a descendant, it is still impossible to verify. --Khinkali (talk) 23:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted a note at WikiProject Military history. — Maile (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Heavy Press Program. Classic WP:COATRACK; article contains almost nothing about its purported subject. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that the original version doesn't have any of the "military leader" terminology - that seems to have crept in in an independent copyedit a few years later. I don't think this feels like an hoax; the citations seem plausible (eg the Lehigh collection is the papers of Loewy, one of the companies involved). Feels like an obituary written in the style of a professional journal that was posted here instead? Andrew Gray (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to get a few more opinions on what should happen with this article. We need more support for Delete for a Deletion to occur and I'd like to see if there are others who believe a Merge is appropriate.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was unable to find some of the sources, checked Google and Google Books and things weren't lining up. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not exactly a hoax, but seemingly a conflation of two different people? Perhaps as an attempt to increase claimed notability, since neither individual person seems to be notable by themselves. I can't say I've seen a purposeful combination attempt like this, just cases where two same-named people were accidentally mixed up. Silver seren^C 19:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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