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The result was keep and move to Death of Alexander Taraikovsky. –Darkwind (talk) 09:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Taraikovsky[edit]


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Not notable per WP:VICTIM and WP:BLP1E (recently deceased). The person does not warrant a standalone article. --IWI (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. --IWI (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. --IWI (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions. --IWI (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Alexander Taraikovsky is to a degree equivalent to George Floyd in Belarus; a separate page is designated to George Floyd on Wikipedia. Alexander Taraikovsky's death was highly publicized internally and internationally. --Partizan Kuzya (talk) 20:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Alexander Taraikovsky was the first victim of the riot police during the first peaceful protest in Belarus against rigged elections in August 2020. His death sparked even more protests that has been ongoing until today. He became a key figure in the current struggle of the Belarusian people for freedom. Several innocent people were sentenced to prison in Belarus for trying to commemorate him. --Sombrik (talk) 20:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep: Meets WP:GNG. Has had plenty of coverage in the news, as well as in international media, and not to mention the impact that his death has had in Belarusian society. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the first killed during the protests in Belarus in 2020. There is a huge interest in his personality. Plus a huge amount of mentions in the press. Vit; talk 08:20, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Thousands of people gathered to lay down flowers on the place where Taraikovsky was killed. Tikhanovskaya named a list of people who need to be sanctioned in honor of him. Obviously he is an important figure in the modern history of Belarus.--KastusK (talk) 11:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did any of you even read WP:VICTIM or WP:BLP1E? You don't seem to even address this and instead say it meets GNG so that's okay. All of the sources refer to one event. Someone notable for one event is usually not notable for Wikipedia, and this person appears to be no exception. I believe WP:RECENTISM also applies here. --IWI (talk) 15:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ImprovedWikiImprovment: - Understandably frustrating. But don't let it get you down. I think if you're someone with an interest in the region, this guy seems like a pretty major character. NickCT (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
More frustrated that a non-notable person will have an article due to a large number of biased votes. I have no issue in keeping it if they had demonstrated that he is indeed notable, but nothing has demonstrated he meets the criteria at WP:VICTIM or WP:BLP1E. Claims that he can be compared to George Floyd are clearly incorrect. The protests were already happening before his death. A mention of him can be made there, but the kind of impact we saw in the US with George Floyd was clearly much larger. WP:VICTIM is pretty clear about what should happen here. --IWI (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean one of the arguments above is that people laid flowers for him. They did the same for Breonna Taylor, but she does not have her own article. Possibly an article could cover the "Death of Alexander Taraikovsky", but his own article? No. Follow the guidelines. --IWI (talk) 04:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One need not forget that it is not plausible to compare the magnitude and coverage of the events in Belarus to the US. Belarus is a repressed, unnoticed 9.5 million country that still does not have freedom of speech, free and independent press, or influence on the rest of the world; the US is a domineering world culture of 330 million whose news and turbulence are broadcasted imminently around the globe. The expectations that Taraikovsky’s name will be on the minds of each global denizen is unfortunately far from reality; however, he is well-known to every Belarussian. Many unpublicized protests in Belarus and other countries (see the reason above why “unpublicized”) originated and are underway due to his death.

The BLM protests were happening before George Floyd’s murder, but the current protest conflagrated around Floyd’s and others’ deaths (e.g., Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner). Taraikosvy was murdered on August 10th. His death -- along with the rampant torture -- changed the attitude and attendance of protests significantly. The very fact that the police can shoot a peaceful person directly into the heart freed people from fear; an inert layer of the population -- the older generation -- took it to the streets and became active. Belarusians are very sensitive to others’ pain because they are raised to respect the suffering of their ancestors during WWII; the history of extermination is deeply engraved into Belarussians through education and epigenetics. Taraikovksy is a personification of this pain to Belarusians.Partizan Kuzya (talk) 05:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The event of his death is notable, so why don’t we just move this to "Death of...", since it only discusses his death? We have the Killing of George Floyd and George Floyd. --IWI (talk) 15:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per WP:GNG. And move to Death of... BabbaQ (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to 2020 Belarusian protests#Deaths. There was a substantial amount of international coverage, but I am not convinced that the coverage is sufficiently persistent for a stand-alone Wikipedia article. See WP:BLP1E. Taraikovsky is not significant in isolation - only as a part of the broader crackdown against protesters by the Lukashenko government. In such a case, the material belongs in the broader article, which in this case is 2020 Belarusian protests. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in some form, "political" deaths is a bit different than most criminal and accidental deaths. Probably more resemblant (albeit not totally) of Benno Ohnesorg than George Floyd; since the Ohnesorg topic is located at "Shooting at..." this page should probably be moved to a similar title. Geschichte (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

→Why was the page moved without the consesus? Who made the decision? There was no clear consesus! Partizan Kuzya (talk) 04:06, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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