Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Order pour le Mérite

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Order pour le Mérite[edit]

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Secret order of doubtful notability. The article offers no sources other than the order's website, and Google searches do not produce anything resembling independent sources. There are lots of hits asserting that Alexander von Humboldt received the civil version of the Prussian order Pour le Mérite, but that's an entirely different thing. It is rather surprising that an order so old and with such illustrious members has attracted so little attention from scholars and media.

Incidentally, the corresponding article at the German Wikipedia was deleted following this discussion. The rationale was similar to the one presented here. Favonian (talk) 12:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- Favonian (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. -- Favonian (talk) 13:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. As per Favonian Johnclean184 (talk) 14:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If this is a case of a notable secret order that has only recently become public and therefore has not yet amassed enough mentions, an article can always be written when enough is available to show notability. It seems to be real enough. The German discussion did turn up one mention in a local paper: (Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger) and I note that there was a previous article on de.wikipedia under Alexander-Orden (discussion leading to deletion of that in 2007), but I still get only self-published hits when I search on that shorter name, plus hits on the Bulgarian military order of Alexander and the Alexander Nevsky order. Schloss Nörvenich is not in our List of Castles in North Rhine-Westphalia, but probably should be; it has a de.wikipedia article and is mentioned in the Arno Breker article and the site of the museum of his works. But I don't see the sources to establish notability, although if anyone can find several more local paper mentions and one or two in biographies, I'm prepared to change my mind. Sometimes these things are international but only have adequate coverage locally.--Yngvadottir (talk) 20:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks independent reliable sources needed to show notability. Edward321 (talk) 04:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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