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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Sourcing is insufficient. Technically not eligible for soft deletion, but given a lack of input this is semi soft deletion Star Mississippi 02:46, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alejo Daireaux[edit]

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Contested PROD, fails WP:NRU and more importantly WP:GNG. Creator has stated that article has been significantly expanded, however there is nothing to suggest significant coverage, and has basically just been WP:REFBOMBed. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, let's think about this. Daireux has not only played for multiple major-league rugby union clubs, but he has played for CASI, which is the best performing URBA club in all of Argentina. He even won the 2019 championship.
If we go by your idea on what 'notability' constitutes. We should remove every single government politician in history who didn't make big headlines, but that's not how this works. Being a high-level member of a successful sports club/government/etc. generally does qualify one for notability, especially if they participated in a crowning achievement of said organization. EytanMelech (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please show how any of this would pass him for WP:GNG. as with Bavaro, he has played for some teams just under the previous, now defunct, rugby union notability guideline, WP:NRU. We only use WP:GNG for notability now, and with the sourcing provided, and what I can find in a WP:BEFORE, there isn't enough to suggest significant coverage exists. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the following sources are the strongest in terms of providing significant coverage.
You don't need to have a million sources of significant coverage to be on Wikipedia. CASI and OGDC are relevant teams, and some of your articles have just as many significant citations as mine do.
And, by the way, I wouldn't classify this article as "refbombed", as I'm sure you consider all the articles you have just nominated to be. Many additional references give very specific information that is relevant to the article, such as teams they've played for, points they've earned, height, weight, etc... I fail to see how these articles fail GNG, as our main dispute is only over whether you think certain coverage is significant or not.
EytanMelech (talk) 19:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source 1: A fan blog (although a good one with reasonable reliability) signing announcement, so therefore doesn't constitute SIGCOV.
Source 2: A short signing announcement again, this time from Argentina rugby, so not independent
Source 3: Same again, a short signing announcement. There's no significant coverage here.
My WP:BEFORE not showing anything else either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On Source 1, defer to my argument about DJCOIL on Bavaro's AfD. Also, I would hardly consider dcr a "fan blog" more than I would consider PCGS a "coin enthusiast club". Is there something particularly bloggy about it, compared to a traditional media outlet specifying in one type of topic? It's a website created by a competitive college rugby coach, and has professional videography + scores tons of interviews with people whose Wikipedia articles that you have not yet nominated for deletion. Unless you're implying that one should only be allowed to cite media sources where the author has a college degree in the field, I fail to see why DJCR doesn't count as a proper citation. EytanMelech (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:VERIFIABILITY specifically WP:SPS. While a very good fan blog with significant interest and knowledge in the field, it is still self published and not wholly independent. ARS likely falls under the same category. These are perfectly acceptable for primary sourcing, offering information and detail that isn't always included in other sources, but isn't secondary as they just state the facts that are known, or known to them. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever team he played on or sport achievement he accomplished doesn't mean anything to notability guidelines. All sportspeople need to meet GNG. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. SWinxy (talk) 15:44, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Where are all of our editors who create and maintain rugby articles?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from reliable third-party sources. The three "strongest" sources provided by EytanMelech are not nearly enough. Subject fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 01:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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